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Post by generalshadow on Aug 13, 2018 12:15:35 GMT
So i just created a new account cuz i madr very many and big mistakes and now i have khalid alexander robin hannibal huo leo and cleo. Will it be good decision to recruit barbarossa and joan? Or will it be waste of resources? I have only 1400 medals so i cant buy medal costing generals.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 13, 2018 13:03:06 GMT
So i just created a new account cuz i madr very many and big mistakes and now i have khalid alexander robin hannibal huo leo and cleo. Will it be good decision to recruit barbarossa and joan? Or will it be waste of resources? I have only 1400 medals so i cant buy medal costing generals. I don’t see what mistakes you made man. Also, cleopatra is very good, on par with bismarck. Just remember that at 3 stars she is on a catapult which sucks, but she can be an end game general. And it depends on the build you are going for. I say why not, cuz extra generals never hurt. Joan’s heal master can heal up your entire team for a cheap price, and barborossa is like a second alexander. I would save your medals for Nobunaga rn, as he costs 2300. You could also buy montezuma for his cure master as well. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 13, 2018 14:19:15 GMT
So i just created a new account cuz i madr very many and big mistakes and now i have khalid alexander robin hannibal huo leo and cleo. Will it be good decision to recruit barbarossa and joan? Or will it be waste of resources? I have only 1400 medals so i cant buy medal costing generals. If we choose between Barbarossa and Joan only, - the difference as great as between heaven and earth. Barbarossa is a powerful general with two excellent (and one decent) skills and (at lvl 6) two very good unit's abilities. Joan is a mediocre general (at best) clearly inferior to many Inf generals in the game. Yeah at lvl 6 her abilities are good but that is not enough imo... |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Aug 13, 2018 15:18:10 GMT
So i just created a new account cuz i madr very many and big mistakes and now i have khalid alexander robin hannibal huo leo and cleo. Will it be good decision to recruit barbarossa and joan? Or will it be waste of resources? I have only 1400 medals so i cant buy medal costing generals. If we choose between Barbarossa and Joan only, - the difference as great as between heaven and earth. Barbarossa is a powerful general with two excellent (and one decent) skills and (at lvl 6) two very good unit's abilities. Joan is a mediocre general (at best) clearly inferior to many Inf generals in the game. Yeah at lvl 6 her abilities are good but that is not enough imo... I agree. Though as a substitute intermediate gen for Empire Age and maybe Discovery, she can probably fit this role well. That is until one has gotten their gens strengthened or bought a powerful gen at that stage, which makes her disposable. Comparing end-game stats and existing gen skills, Babarossa is definitely better. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 13, 2018 15:50:22 GMT
Yeah, Montezuma is a better cure master general than Joan of Arc. The only time I would consider using her is at lvl 6, but Petain and Peter are fantastic options then as well.
For me, the scale goes like this
End Game
Richard = Caesar > Peter > Petain > Barborossa > Joan of Arc > Alexander > anyone else
Barborossa is cheaper to upgrade and arguably better than Alexander.
Also, from personal mistakes, do not get Richard before you have Nobunaga, Li Shimin, and maybe Nelson. You can use Abraham Lincoln as a replacement for Richard if you upgrade abe to lvl 5 logistics, which is much cheaper than you would expect, and he can speedrun classical. Richard is not a bad general, as he outdoes everyone by discovery, but he dies really fast in campaign and has mediocre output.
I would use Alex till discovery, maybe even till gunpowder, but then get rid of him as he is super expensive. Barborossa you can use forever though.
Also guys, can you replace Barborossa with Peter in discovery age, or would that be a bad choice?
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Post by generalshadow on Aug 13, 2018 16:22:28 GMT
K thx im getting barbarossa and i think peter can replace barbarossa but only if u care even for a little amount of medals cuz buying peter and then upgrading his commander skill to max costs somewhere 2400 and upgrading barbarossa costs somewhere 2600 barbarossa has better stats (peter beats him in move speed if i remember correctly) ofc upgrading to ages is cheaper for peter so i would say he can replace barbarossa but im not sure if its good change to make its just my opinion
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Post by stoic on Aug 13, 2018 17:54:02 GMT
Peter and Barbarossa are excellent team mates. However if someone has only two Inf generals and one of them is Richard, I would say Barbarossa is a better choice. Peter has 3 excellent skills/abilities, but all his skills/abilities are offensive in nature. It is great when we have an infantry based team. But in other lineups the role of infantry is different. The main purpose of Infantry is to protect archers. And in this case Barbarossa's Marshall/Samurai/50%bonus-in-defense are the best possible skills. Plus he is a Commander and has Leadership. Peter is not very effective in a pure defensive role. If I remember correctly he has 1000 HPs less than Barbarossa. And that counts for something...
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 13, 2018 19:32:42 GMT
K thx im getting barbarossa and i think peter can replace barbarossa but only if u care even for a little amount of medals cuz buying peter and then upgrading his commander skill to max costs somewhere 2400 and upgrading barbarossa costs somewhere 2600 barbarossa has better stats (peter beats him in move speed if i remember correctly) ofc upgrading to ages is cheaper for peter so i would say he can replace barbarossa but im not sure if its good change to make its just my opinion Peter has maxed out bravery for free, and he has rumor on Barbarossa, but barborossa has a debuff. I think that Petain is better than barborossa though. But you can use Barborossa for a while, unlike alexander who became obsolete by discovery. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 13, 2018 19:39:58 GMT
Peter and Barbarossa are excellent team mates. However if someone has only two Inf generals and one of them is Richard, I would say Barbarossa is a better choice. Peter has 3 excellent skills/abilities, but all his skills/abilities are offensive in nature. It is great when we have an infantry based team. But in other lineups the role of infantry is different. The main purpose of Infantry is to protect archers. And in this case Barbarossa's Marshall/Samurai/50%bonus-in-defense are the best possible skills. Plus he is a Commander and has Leadership. Peter is not very effective in a pure defensive role. If I remember correctly he has 1000 HPs less than Barbarossa. And that counts for something... Hmm. But peter has bravery plus rumor, a fantastic combo. He can make easy work out of Nobunaga, and even rumor generals. Idk I personally feel as though Peter is better than Barborossa, and Petain is unpar with Barbarossa, as he can’t get rumored. I think my final infantry team will consist of the three (Richard, Peter, Petain), as I don’t really like cavarly to much, Richard and Peter will be meatshields for my artillery generals, and Petain will be for my archers). Or maybe even the other way around as I need someone who isn’t afraid of cavarly to guard my artillery. I think Peter’s braveness and rumor do more than compensate for barbarossa’s hp advantage and leadership. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 14, 2018 3:02:00 GMT
Peter and Barbarossa are excellent team mates. However if someone has only two Inf generals and one of them is Richard, I would say Barbarossa is a better choice. Peter has 3 excellent skills/abilities, but all his skills/abilities are offensive in nature. It is great when we have an infantry based team. But in other lineups the role of infantry is different. The main purpose of Infantry is to protect archers. And in this case Barbarossa's Marshall/Samurai/50%bonus-in-defense are the best possible skills. Plus he is a Commander and has Leadership. Peter is not very effective in a pure defensive role. If I remember correctly he has 1000 HPs less than Barbarossa. And that counts for something... Hmm. But peter has bravery plus rumor, a fantastic combo. He can make easy work out of Nobunaga, and even rumor generals. Idk I personally feel as though Peter is better than Barborossa, and Petain is unpar with Barbarossa, as he can’t get rumored. I think my final infantry team will consist of the three (Richard, Peter, Petain), as I don’t really like cavarly to much, Richard and Peter will be meatshields for my artillery generals, and Petain will be for my archers). Or maybe even the other way around as I need someone who isn’t afraid of cavarly to guard my artillery. I think Peter’s braveness and rumor do more than compensate for barbarossa’s hp advantage and leadership. With Petain in the team there are more reasons to hire Peter. 3 Commanders together can do wonders for you. Actually Infantry plus Archers with support of LiShimin and Napoleon are a very powerful team. Nevertheless I prefer Leadership over Rumor. 30% are not enough to be a game winning skill in the endgame. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 3:16:02 GMT
Hmm. But peter has bravery plus rumor, a fantastic combo. He can make easy work out of Nobunaga, and even rumor generals. Idk I personally feel as though Peter is better than Barborossa, and Petain is unpar with Barbarossa, as he can’t get rumored. I think my final infantry team will consist of the three (Richard, Peter, Petain), as I don’t really like cavarly to much, Richard and Peter will be meatshields for my artillery generals, and Petain will be for my archers). Or maybe even the other way around as I need someone who isn’t afraid of cavarly to guard my artillery. I think Peter’s braveness and rumor do more than compensate for barbarossa’s hp advantage and leadership. With Petain in the team there are more reasons to hire Peter. 3 Commanders together can do wonders for you. Actually Infantry plus Archers with support of LiShimin and Napoleon are a very powerful team. Nevertheless I prefer Leadership over Rumor. 30% are not enough to be a game winning skill in the endgame. True. Richard can attack twice though i believe, and you only need it to trigger once, and it will render the enemy useless for 3 turns. Petain has a 40% damage sponge and can never get rumored, so he is definitely a better choice of a meat shield than Barbarossa. Barborossa is a good choice if you are willing to sacrifice Peter, Caesar, or Richard. Nevertheless, Barborossa is a good general. Much better than alexander. You can use him up till end game. But keep in mind that there are 4 infantry generals better than him, but none of them are free. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 14, 2018 4:31:43 GMT
With Petain in the team there are more reasons to hire Peter. 3 Commanders together can do wonders for you. Actually Infantry plus Archers with support of LiShimin and Napoleon are a very powerful team. Nevertheless I prefer Leadership over Rumor. 30% are not enough to be a game winning skill in the endgame. True. Richard can attack twice though i believe, and you only need it to trigger once It doesn't work like that. He and Nobunaga deliver the same kind of damage as Redshirts in EW6, but they attack only once. But unlike in EW6 it is 100% of probability in EW5. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 14, 2018 5:02:45 GMT
True. Richard can attack twice though i believe, and you only need it to trigger once It doesn't work like that. He and Nobunaga deliver the same kind of damage as Redshirts in EW6, but they attack only once. But unlike in EW6 it is 100% of probability in EW5. Ah that makes sense. So basically they have massive damage all the time. Jeez. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 14, 2018 5:15:43 GMT
It doesn't work like that. He and Nobunaga deliver the same kind of damage as Redshirts in EW6, but they attack only once. But unlike in EW6 it is 100% of probability in EW5. Ah that makes sense. So basically they have massive damage all the time. Jeez. Yeah. One normal damage plus another one around 50% of the normal one. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 14, 2018 5:19:53 GMT
Very few generals in the game have 5 excellent skills/abilities. Richard and Nobunaga are very good when fully upgraded...
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