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Post by stoic on Aug 17, 2018 15:17:28 GMT
Actually the main idea behind using Blucher and Yi Sun-Sin in one team is the fact that (like Commander skills) Armor master skills stack together. I don't remember exactly how it works, but around 75% of damage can be reduced when this skill is triggered simultaneously by both generals. Funny enough, but no-one has tried it until now  Oh nice. That could quite handy in invasions. Let me tell you as honest as I can : Invasions, conquests, defense missions - all that is a child's play in comparison to Industrial age campaigns and a dozen of missions in Empire. Time will come and you will beat invasions and conquests without any problem even with mediocre generals. But Industrial age and difficult missions in Empire are something very different. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 17, 2018 15:23:16 GMT
Oh nice. That could quite handy in invasions. Let me tell you as honest as I can : Invasions, conquests, defense missions - all that is a child's play in comparison to Industrial age campaigns and a dozen of missions in Empire. Time will come and you will beat invasions and conquests without any problem even with mediocre generals. But Industrial age and difficult missions in Empire are something very different. Yeah empire mode is the most important, and its very difficult. I want to follow a build that allows me to conquer the most cities at first. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Aug 17, 2018 16:37:56 GMT
I wouldn't buy Khan at all. So my hypothetical dream team is: Attila-Blucher Washington-Nobunaga-Li-Nelson-Yi Sun-sin. Napoleon. Or Attila Caesar Washington-Nobunaga-Li-Nelson-Mocte Napoleon Has anyone done it with only one artillery? If not do you think it could be done with anyone besides Napoleon? |
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Post by stoic on Aug 17, 2018 17:08:20 GMT
I wouldn't buy Khan at all. So my hypothetical dream team is: Attila-Blucher Washington-Nobunaga-Li-Nelson-Yi Sun-sin. Napoleon. Or Attila Caesar Washington-Nobunaga-Li-Nelson-Mocte Napoleon Has anyone done it with only one artillery? If not do you think it could be done with anyone besides Napoleon? Actually I haven't used two Artillery generals often. First time it was only Li Shimin most of the time. The second time - Khalid or Bismarck depending on situation. There are a couple of missions though where it is very difficult to win without two of them. But if we are allowed to use in a mission less than 8 generals - the chance is very high that I will deploy only one Art general. Li Shimin (when fully upgraded) is equal to Napoleon, imo. We had some dispute about that, and my opinion didn't change since then... european-war-4.boards.net/thread/5480/li-shimin-napoleon |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 17, 2018 17:26:24 GMT
Has anyone done it with only one artillery? If not do you think it could be done with anyone besides Napoleon? Actually I haven't used two Artillery generals often. First time it was only Li Shimin most of the time. The second time - Khalid or Bismarck depending on situation. There are a couple of missions though where it is very difficult to win without two of them. But if we are allowed to use in a mission less than 8 generals - the chance is very high that I will deploy only one Art general. Li Shimin (when fully upgraded) is equal to Napoleon, imo. We had some dispute about that, and my opinion didn't change since then... european-war-4.boards.net/thread/5480/li-shimin-napoleonTrue. If you aren’t a fan of rumor, Li Shimin is napoleon with fire dragon, which is probably op with someone liek Heihachiro or Khalid boosting your ohtput. So instead of having an artillery team, having just two artillery generals is smarter. Would it be more intelligent for me to get Li Shimin or Heihachiro to support Napoleon? |
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Post by stoic on Aug 17, 2018 17:30:15 GMT
To be honest, I think that there is only one IAP general who can significantly strengthen any team. And this is Washington... But the funny thing is that there are many powerful archers in the game, and Washington's personal strength is hardly a way better for our team synergy than solid team skills of Nelson, Li, Yi Sun-sin and Nobunaga. Even Jebe (as it was proved by Iron Duke ) has his trumps. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 17, 2018 17:35:45 GMT
Actually I haven't used two Artillery generals often. First time it was only Li Shimin most of the time. The second time - Khalid or Bismarck depending on situation. There are a couple of missions though where it is very difficult to win without two of them. But if we are allowed to use in a mission less than 8 generals - the chance is very high that I will deploy only one Art general. Li Shimin (when fully upgraded) is equal to Napoleon, imo. We had some dispute about that, and my opinion didn't change since then... european-war-4.boards.net/thread/5480/li-shimin-napoleonTrue. If you aren’t a fan of rumor, Li Shimin is napoleon with fire dragon, which is probably op with someone liek Heihachiro or Khalid boosting your ohtput. So instead of having an artillery team, having just two artillery generals is smarter. Would it be more intelligent for me to get Li Shimin or Heihachiro to support Napoleon? Heihachiro is a terra incognita to me . Therefore I'm curious to have him in my current team. Li Shimin and Napoleon, on the other hand, are a well known pair, used with success by Singlemalt |
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Post by stoic on Aug 17, 2018 17:38:02 GMT
And I really not a fan of Rumor in EW5.
30% of probability is too low, imo...
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 17, 2018 17:38:03 GMT
True. If you aren’t a fan of rumor, Li Shimin is napoleon with fire dragon, which is probably op with someone liek Heihachiro or Khalid boosting your ohtput. So instead of having an artillery team, having just two artillery generals is smarter. Would it be more intelligent for me to get Li Shimin or Heihachiro to support Napoleon? Heihachiro is a terra incognita to me . Therefore I'm curious to have him in my current team. Li Shimin and Napoleon, on the other hand, are a well known pair, used with success by SinglemaltNice. He seems quite great honestly. Unlike Koxinga who has no good skills. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 17, 2018 17:40:51 GMT
Heihachiro is a terra incognita to me . Therefore I'm curious to have him in my current team. Li Shimin and Napoleon, on the other hand, are a well known pair, used with success by SinglemaltNice. He seems quite great honestly. Unlike Koxinga who has no good skills. It is another league... |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 6, 2018 12:43:05 GMT
What about this team?
Archers:
1. Washington
2. Nobunaga
3. Nelson
4. Li Honzang
5. Montezuma
Infantry:
Caesar
Cavarly:
Khan
Artillery:
Napoleon
Caesar and Khan will be the infantry killers, Moctezuma and Caesar will be the healers. Napoleon, Moctezuma, Nobunaga, Nelson, and Li Hongzang will be the debuffers. Li and Nelson will be the commanders.
In case I do have to split up my teams, it will be like
Washington (main source of output)
Montezuma (main healer and debuffer, good against cavarly)
Khan (infantry killer, good against everything but archers due to his bravery)
Nelson (archery commander on this team, lvl 3 range so protecting him will be easy)
Li Honzang (can kill the cavarly that threaten caesar, buffs nobunaga)
Caesar (main healer, infantry and archery killer)
Napoleon (rumorer, city destroyer, and can heal on his own)
Nobunaga (main debuffer, #1 source of output on this team)
So far, if I use autoplay to complete conquest, khan will most likely die. But I could always replace him with Jhansi or Yi Sun sin. What do you think about this iap team?
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Post by stoic on Sept 6, 2018 13:50:53 GMT
What about this team? Archers: 1. Washington 2. Nobunaga 3. Nelson 4. Li Honzang 5. Montezuma Infantry: Caesar Cavarly: Khan Artillery: Napoleon Caesar and Khan will be the infantry killers, Moctezuma and Caesar will be the healers. Napoleon, Moctezuma, Nobunaga, Nelson, and Li Hongzang will be the debuffers. Li and Nelson will be the commanders. In case I do have to split up my teams, it will be like Washington (main source of output) Montezuma (main healer and debuffer, good against cavarly) Khan (infantry killer, good against everything but archers due to his bravery) Nelson (archery commander on this team, lvl 3 range so protecting him will be easy) Li Honzang (can kill the cavarly that threaten caesar, buffs nobunaga) Caesar (main healer, infantry and archery killer) Napoleon (rumorer, city destroyer, and can heal on his own) Nobunaga (main debuffer, #1 source of output on this team) So far, if I use autoplay to complete conquest, khan will most likely die. But I could always replace him with Jhansi or Yi Sun sin. What do you think about this iap team? I would replace Khan with Blucher... again  1. Blucher is not a great offensive general, but he has Plunder plus Armor master. It means survivability for him personally and for the whole team. 2. In this case you don't need Yi Sun-Sin. 3. Blucher has Rumor as well. It is very good for defense missions. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 6, 2018 14:44:10 GMT
What about this team? Archers: 1. Washington 2. Nobunaga 3. Nelson 4. Li Honzang 5. Montezuma Infantry: Caesar Cavarly: Khan Artillery: Napoleon Caesar and Khan will be the infantry killers, Moctezuma and Caesar will be the healers. Napoleon, Moctezuma, Nobunaga, Nelson, and Li Hongzang will be the debuffers. Li and Nelson will be the commanders. In case I do have to split up my teams, it will be like Washington (main source of output) Montezuma (main healer and debuffer, good against cavarly) Khan (infantry killer, good against everything but archers due to his bravery) Nelson (archery commander on this team, lvl 3 range so protecting him will be easy) Li Honzang (can kill the cavarly that threaten caesar, buffs nobunaga) Caesar (main healer, infantry and archery killer) Napoleon (rumorer, city destroyer, and can heal on his own) Nobunaga (main debuffer, #1 source of output on this team) So far, if I use autoplay to complete conquest, khan will most likely die. But I could always replace him with Jhansi or Yi Sun sin. What do you think about this iap team? I would replace Khan with Blucher... again 1. Blucher is not a great offensive general, but he has Plunder plus Armor master. It means survivability for him personally and for the whole team. 2. In this case you don't need Yi Sun-Sin. 3. Blucher has Rumor as well. It is very good for defense missions. True. I will upgrade khan’s braveness to max so there will be situations in which he will be useful. But blucher will be on my team as well. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Sept 6, 2018 16:38:24 GMT
What about this team? Archers: 1. Washington 2. Nobunaga 3. Nelson 4. Li Honzang 5. Montezuma Infantry: Caesar Cavarly: Khan Artillery: Napoleon Looks pretty good to me, I'll be interested to know if you need a second arty (Bismarck?) for some missions. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 6, 2018 17:45:39 GMT
What about this team? Archers: 1. Washington 2. Nobunaga 3. Nelson 4. Li Honzang 5. Montezuma Infantry: Caesar Cavarly: Khan Artillery: Napoleon Looks pretty good to me, I'll be interested to know if you need a second arty (Bismarck?) for some missions. Most likely I will. In that case, I will use Bismarck. But napoleon will have plunder so he can carry his weight around quite well. |
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