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Post by NetherFreek on May 21, 2018 8:14:05 GMT
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 9, 2018 17:07:16 GMT
A bit overrated and expensive, but still a good general. I just think that Masséna is better, but this guy is arguably the best infantry general in the game, and a great jungle fighter.
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Post by coronel on Aug 9, 2018 17:32:37 GMT
I prefer my massena. but karl is not bad
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Post by andrei on Aug 9, 2018 17:39:40 GMT
We've discussed it earlier quite a lot. When all the skills are upgraded they are very very close. Maybe Massena is a bit better. When only critical skills are upgraded Karl is a little bit better. european-war-4.boards.net/thread/9347/karl-mass-na?page=2You most likely won't feel those 5-10 points difference. And of course it depends on the playstyle. If You prefer to attack with a pack of Your aura infantry generals, You anyway are going to use both of them. You simply have to  |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 9, 2018 18:02:19 GMT
We've discussed it earlier quite a lot. When all the skills are upgraded they are very very close. Maybe Massena is a bit better. When only critical skills are upgraded Karl is a little bit better. european-war-4.boards.net/thread/9347/karl-mass-na?page=2You most likely won't feel those 5-10 points difference. And of course it depends on the playstyle. If You prefer to attack with a pack of Your aura infantry generals, You anyway are going to use both of them. You simply have to Actually Karl has all level 5 skills for mine, except ambush, and level 6 jungle fighting. Yet even in 1798, I see his output fall as low as 74, whereas Masséna’s almost never falls below 90. So not only is he more expensive than masséna, he is also much worse. But I agree, both are needed. His jungle fighting bonus is his strongest quality, as it will leed to devastating results combined with 3 aura buffs: massena, barclay, and himself, in addition to being combined with his crit skill. Also his level 3 ambush doesn’t hurt. Maybe I should upgrade that skill a bit. In summary, he isn’t bad. Just get Masséna first, even if you have enough medals to buy Karl. He seems to outdo him by alot. |
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Post by andrei on Aug 9, 2018 18:07:56 GMT
We've discussed it earlier quite a lot. When all the skills are upgraded they are very very close. Maybe Massena is a bit better. When only critical skills are upgraded Karl is a little bit better. european-war-4.boards.net/thread/9347/karl-mass-na?page=2You most likely won't feel those 5-10 points difference. And of course it depends on the playstyle. If You prefer to attack with a pack of Your aura infantry generals, You anyway are going to use both of them. You simply have to Actually Karl has all level 5 skills for mine, except ambush, and level 6 jungle fighting. Yet even in 1798, I see his output fall as low as 74, whereas Masséna’s almost never falls below 90. So not only is he more expensive than masséna, he is also much worse. But I agree, both are needed. His jungle fighting bonus is his strongest quality, as it will leed to devastating results combined with 3 aura buffs: massena, barclay, and himself, in addition to being combined with his crit skill. Also his level 3 ambush doesn’t hurt. Maybe I should upgrade that skill a bit. In summary, he isn’t bad. Just get Masséna first, even if you have enough medals to buy Karl. He seems to outdo him by alot. Strange output. Karl is to be used in forests. As well as Massena will be worse against Cav, Karl will be worse without terrain. He can't has lower output in forest. We compared Karl and Massena. You can check it in the thread I linked. Of course if You use Your gen in a wrong way even great gen can be awful  |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 9, 2018 18:17:17 GMT
Actually Karl has all level 5 skills for mine, except ambush, and level 6 jungle fighting. Yet even in 1798, I see his output fall as low as 74, whereas Masséna’s almost never falls below 90. So not only is he more expensive than masséna, he is also much worse. But I agree, both are needed. His jungle fighting bonus is his strongest quality, as it will leed to devastating results combined with 3 aura buffs: massena, barclay, and himself, in addition to being combined with his crit skill. Also his level 3 ambush doesn’t hurt. Maybe I should upgrade that skill a bit. In summary, he isn’t bad. Just get Masséna first, even if you have enough medals to buy Karl. He seems to outdo him by alot. Strange output. Karl is to be used in forests. As well as Massena will be worse against Cav, Karl will be worse without terrain. He can't has lower output in forest. We compared Karl and Massena. You can check it in the thread I linked. Of course if You use Your gen in a wrong way even great gen can be awful I did check it out. No point in really arguing tbh. I say get Masséna first, simply cuz of the price. My problem with intercept is that, even though it is a good skill, it just isn’t assualt. You will probably use infantry to attack other units a lot more often. I use my infantry to overpower enemy artillery generals such as Kutuzov and Napoleon all the time. Neither is a bad choice though. He is the best forrest fighter in the game after all. |
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Post by andrei on Aug 9, 2018 18:33:08 GMT
The question is not in Intercept. Karl has forest, Massena has Assault. Forest provide higher output than Assault. That's what I was talking about. But if You don't use Karl in forest he will be equal to Massena only against Cavalry. That's what I was talking about. But if You read the thread I linked You should have seen all it already |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 9, 2018 21:51:54 GMT
The question is not in Intercept. Karl has forest, Massena has Assault. Forest provide higher output than Assault. That's what I was talking about. But if You don't use Karl in forest he will be equal to Massena only against Cavalry. That's what I was talking about. But if You read the thread I linked You should have seen all it already Ah that makes logical sense. At first it might not be greater, but with a couple aura buffs it will be. Thanks man. |
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Post by Charlemagne on Aug 25, 2018 14:11:17 GMT
A bit overrated and expensive, but still a good general. I just think that Masséna is better, but this guy is arguably the best infantry general in the game, and a great jungle fighter. A great general that you should definately get after massena! |
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Post by Charlemagne on Aug 25, 2018 14:17:34 GMT
A bit overrated and expensive, but still a good general. I just think that Masséna is better, but this guy is arguably the best infantry general in the game, and a great jungle fighter. A great general that you should definately get after massena! I anyway already have massena. |
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Post by Robert Walpole on Aug 25, 2018 14:28:20 GMT
Massena Lite
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Post by Iosef Stalin on Aug 25, 2018 23:33:46 GMT
I am more of a tunnel guy, but still. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 26, 2018 0:02:52 GMT
I hated this guy at first, but he is really strong on jungles. He is worth it, but beginners should get massena tho
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Nov 27, 2018 19:52:22 GMT
I hated this guy at first, but he is really strong on jungles. He is worth it, but beginners should get massena tho So, is the secret to Karl’s massive damage his formation master skill. Because normally on my team, Karl, Massena, and Wellesley, Wellesley deals more damage than the two of them against common units, even with the +20 battle ability item, while Karl has the ferguson and massena the beck rifle, so Karl essentially has a +20 ability advantage to him. However, when they crit, even massena reaches ridiculously high numbers such as 230. Now as they both use the same aura, is this skill the reason that they are considered the greats. If so, could this skill also be considered to be amongst the best skills in the game? |
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