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Post by STILETT0 on May 23, 2021 16:52:16 GMT
Easytech planned even one more mission in this campaign: Dominate Europe: We've smashed European coalition forces and conquered most of territories. Remaining countries have assembled, trying to make desperate struggles. Though they've suffered great losses, we're still outnumbered. commander, if you can defeat coalition forces again, we will ascend to be the new dominator of Europe. But this mission, and a last HRE mission: Conquer the North America, never made it into the game. Maybe they were too much alternative. To be fair, most of the U.S. population in 1821 (when North America landings takes place) still lived in the former 13 colonies, so conquering only those would make sense imo are there any 1812 missions besides Battle OF New Orleans? If so, it is a goddam lie. The USA barely had an organized army during 1812, and same for 1775. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on May 23, 2021 17:33:33 GMT
To be fair, most of the U.S. population in 1821 (when North America landings takes place) still lived in the former 13 colonies, so conquering only those would make sense imo are there any 1812 missions besides Battle OF New Orleans? If so, it is a goddam lie. The USA barely had an organized army during 1812, and same for 1775. No there not. And HRE in 1821 ΒΏ?, I never thought about a historical intenention. Maybe you have an idea for the US March on Britain in 1817 ? Yes, the US had barely an organized army at this time. But they had great charismatic leaders and a very stong militia, build out of civilians. I think ET tried to bring quite nice parallels to history into the gameplay, and the american campaign feels different. |
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Post by Arya Stark on May 23, 2021 19:28:39 GMT
are there any 1812 missions besides Battle OF New Orleans? If so, it is a goddam lie. The USA barely had an organized army during 1812, and same for 1775. No there not. And HRE in 1821 ΒΏ?, I never thought about a historical intenention. Maybe you have an idea for the US March on Britain in 1817 ? Yes, the US had barely an organized army at this time. But they had great charismatic leaders and a very stong militia, build out of civilians. I think ET tried to bring quite nice parallels to history into the gameplay, and the american campaign feels different. The American campaign feels like what would happen if early 1800s U.S. had both charismatic leaders (which in this case would be commanders like Dearborn and Hull) and someone who was an excellent battlefield commander able to turn that strong militia into a power capable of invading Europe (which in this case would be the player)
Which is fun, and I suppose it'd also be fun to take a dive into how the world would be affected by the U.S. being a world power before WWII
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Post by STILETT0 on May 23, 2021 20:32:23 GMT
No there not. And HRE in 1821 ΒΏ?, I never thought about a historical intenention. Maybe you have an idea for the US March on Britain in 1817 ? Yes, the US had barely an organized army at this time. But they had great charismatic leaders and a very stong militia, build out of civilians. I think ET tried to bring quite nice parallels to history into the gameplay, and the american campaign feels different. The American campaign feels like what would happen if early 1800s U.S. had both charismatic leaders (which in this case would be commanders like Dearborn and Hull) and someone who was an excellent battlefield commander able to turn that strong militia into a power capable of invading Europe (which in this case would be the player)
Which is fun, and I suppose it'd also be fun to take a dive into how the world would be affected by the U.S. being a world power before WWII
The USMC consider the USA a world power after the Spanish-American War. the USA became a world power when the concept of Wilsonianism became a thing in 1916 IMO. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on May 23, 2021 21:01:04 GMT
The American campaign feels like what would happen if early 1800s U.S. had both charismatic leaders (which in this case would be commanders like Dearborn and Hull) and someone who was an excellent battlefield commander able to turn that strong militia into a power capable of invading Europe (which in this case would be the player)
Which is fun, and I suppose it'd also be fun to take a dive into how the world would be affected by the U.S. being a world power before WWII
Β The USMC consider the USA a world power after the Spanish-American War. the USA became a world power when the concept of Wilsonianism became a thing in 1916 IMO.Β From EW4 - campaign 5.12 Dominate Europe 1822 Dearborn: We've smashed European coalition forces and conquered most of territories. Remaining countries have assembled, trying to make desperate struggles. Though they've suffered great losses, we're still outnumbered. commander, if you can defeat coalition forces again, we will ascend to be the new dominator of Europe. I think ET had a simmilar mission planned. The description is there, but the battle-file is missing. |
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Post by John Marston on May 24, 2021 5:50:46 GMT
The USMC consider the USA a world power after the Spanish-American War. the USA became a world power when the concept of Wilsonianism became a thing in 1916 IMO. From EW4 - campaign 5.12 Dominate Europe 1822 Dearborn: We've smashed European coalition forces and conquered most of territories. Remaining countries have assembled, trying to make desperate struggles. Though they've suffered great losses, we're still outnumbered. commander, if you can defeat coalition forces again, we will ascend to be the new dominator of Europe. I think ET had a simmilar mission planned. The description is there, but the battle-file is missing. How about including those missions if it is possible in your mod Trotsky? |
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Post by littlecorporal on May 25, 2021 4:14:07 GMT
At the time of US Independence, they had a quarter of the population of the British population and larger territory. There were pretty strong feelings against the British by a lot of Americans (like Andrew Jackson) and many supported the French revolution, especially during the phases when the Marquis de Lafayette played a major role. There's nothing really that unreasonable about an alternative history where the US gets involved, though a transatlantic amphibious assault on Ireland is a stretch.
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Post by STILETT0 on May 25, 2021 9:13:21 GMT
At the time of US Independence, they had a quarter of the population of the British population and larger territory. There were pretty strong feelings against the British by a lot of Americans (like Andrew Jackson) and many supported the French revolution, especially during the phases when the Marquis de Lafayette played a major role. There's nothing really that unreasonable about an alternative history where the US gets involved, though a transatlantic amphibious assault on Ireland is a stretch. that makes sense, but at that point, Jackson was busy evicting Native Americans, while everyone else was putting up with that "From Sea To Shining Sea" crap, and trying to get New Orleans. Dam Uptown folk, imagine having a street called Magazine Street, couldn't be on the better side of Canal! At that point, the USA were too busy with their tiny organized military to truly do anything to interfere with what was happening in Europe. They also had to face the fact that France was fighting a war against the rest of Europe, and no matter how many treaties there were they just kept getting into fights, for a war that they could very possibly lose. It simply just was not worth it. Of course, Alternate History immediately falls apart with a few good arguments. What if the Germans won WWII. Show me how that could ever be possible kind sir! |
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Post by littlecorporal on May 25, 2021 14:14:07 GMT
At the time of US Independence, they had a quarter of the population of the British population and larger territory. There were pretty strong feelings against the British by a lot of Americans (like Andrew Jackson) and many supported the French revolution, especially during the phases when the Marquis de Lafayette played a major role. There's nothing really that unreasonable about an alternative history where the US gets involved, though a transatlantic amphibious assault on Ireland is a stretch. that makes sense, but at that point, Jackson was busy evicting Native Americans, while everyone else was putting up with that "From Sea To Shining Sea" crap, and trying to get New Orleans. Dam Uptown folk, imagine having a street called Magazine Street,Β couldn't be on the better side of Canal! At that point, the USA were too busy with their tiny organized military to truly do anything to interfere with what was happening in Europe. They also had to face the fact that France was fighting a war against the rest of Europe, and no matter how many treaties there were they just kept getting into fights, for a war that they could very possibly lose. It simply just was not worth it. Of course, Alternate History immediately falls apart with a few good arguments. What if the Germans won WWII.Β Show me how that could ever be possible kind sir! Time line is a little off. Jackson didn't become President until 1824 and his major foreign policy goal was evicting the independent Indian Nations from US states. A lot of the good will the US had towards the revolution dissipated after Robespierre and the Committee for Public Safety executed Louis and Marie. In 1798, Talleyrand asked for a bribe to respect US neutrality and the US got ready for war under the slogan "Millions for defense, not a penny for a bribe." In 1802, the French slaves in Haiti revolted, prompting Napoleon to dispatch a large force of 20,000 troops to put it down. Many Americans assumed that after Haiti, the force would move onto New Orleans and look to more firmly establish New France. Instead, they got dysentary, and died, forcing Napoleon to abandon his dream of a new Empire in America and sell Louisiana to the US. A more realistic French Invasion scenario would actually be landing in Florida or New Orleans. |
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Post by Arya Stark on May 25, 2021 15:23:22 GMT
that makes sense, but at that point, Jackson was busy evicting Native Americans, while everyone else was putting up with that "From Sea To Shining Sea" crap, and trying to get New Orleans. Dam Uptown folk, imagine having a street called Magazine Street, couldn't be on the better side of Canal! At that point, the USA were too busy with their tiny organized military to truly do anything to interfere with what was happening in Europe. They also had to face the fact that France was fighting a war against the rest of Europe, and no matter how many treaties there were they just kept getting into fights, for a war that they could very possibly lose. It simply just was not worth it. Of course, Alternate History immediately falls apart with a few good arguments. What if the Germans won WWII. Show me how that could ever be possible kind sir! Time line is a little off. Jackson didn't become President until 1824 and his major foreign policy goal was evicting the independent Indian Nations from US states. A lot of the good will the US had towards the revolution dissipated after Robespierre and the Committee for Public Safety executed Louis and Marie. In 1798, Talleyrand asked for a bribe to respect US neutrality and the US got ready for war under the slogan "Millions for defense, not a penny for a bribe." In 1802, the French slaves in Haiti revolted, prompting Napoleon to dispatch a large force of 20,000 troops to put it down. Many Americans assumed that after Haiti, the force would move onto New Orleans and look to more firmly establish New France. Instead, they got dysentary, and died, forcing Napoleon to abandon his dream of a new Empire in America and sell Louisiana to the US. A more realistic French Invasion scenario would actually be landing in Florida or New Orleans. Now that I think about it, Imperial Eagle could have had a campaign like that but ET (understandably, i think) focused on Europe and then had France attack the former 13 colonies after conquering Europe. I wrote this in another post (Whether in this thread or another, I do not remember) that going after the former 13 colonies make sense if you want to conquer America more than going after Louisiana |
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Post by STILETT0 on May 26, 2021 0:17:07 GMT
that makes sense, but at that point, Jackson was busy evicting Native Americans, while everyone else was putting up with that "From Sea To Shining Sea" crap, and trying to get New Orleans. Dam Uptown folk, imagine having a street called Magazine Street, couldn't be on the better side of Canal! At that point, the USA were too busy with their tiny organized military to truly do anything to interfere with what was happening in Europe. They also had to face the fact that France was fighting a war against the rest of Europe, and no matter how many treaties there were they just kept getting into fights, for a war that they could very possibly lose. It simply just was not worth it. Of course, Alternate History immediately falls apart with a few good arguments. What if the Germans won WWII. Show me how that could ever be possible kind sir! Time line is a little off. Jackson didn't become President until 1824 and his major foreign policy goal was evicting the independent Indian Nations from US states. A lot of the good will the US had towards the revolution dissipated after Robespierre and the Committee for Public Safety executed Louis and Marie. In 1798, Talleyrand asked for a bribe to respect US neutrality and the US got ready for war under the slogan "Millions for defense, not a penny for a bribe." In 1802, the French slaves in Haiti revolted, prompting Napoleon to dispatch a large force of 20,000 troops to put it down. Many Americans assumed that after Haiti, the force would move onto New Orleans and look to more firmly establish New France. Instead, they got dysentary, and died, forcing Napoleon to abandon his dream of a new Empire in America and sell Louisiana to the US. A more realistic French Invasion scenario would actually be landing in Florida or New Orleans. they must fix Plaquemines Parish then :/. Also, all areas surrounding NOLA are swamplands, making it now realistic place for fighting. The Chalmette Plantation is one of the only pieces of sturdy land south of New Orleans. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on May 26, 2021 23:58:39 GMT
they must fix Plaquemines Parish then :/. Also, all areas surrounding NOLA are swamplands, making it now realistic place for fighting. The Chalmette Plantation is one of the only pieces of sturdy land south of New Orleans. I looked at the EW4 map: 5 of the 6 hex that surround New Orleans are water, the river is in the west, and don't has to be crossed to arrive to the mainland after passing the jungle. I even think to see the Chalmette Plantation, south of New Orleans (with a Fort ?) connected only with a, lets say road. I think for 3*4 Hex, New Orleans, the nature park and the sorrounding swampland is incredible realistic. EW4 doesnt'k have swampland, but I can recognize New Orleans, for the topography. Hills in Amsterdam or montains close to Berlin are not such a good replacement. |
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Post by STILETT0 on May 27, 2021 0:36:41 GMT
they must fix Plaquemines Parish then :/. Also, all areas surrounding NOLA are swamplands, making it now realistic place for fighting. The Chalmette Plantation is one of the only pieces of sturdy land south of New Orleans. I looked at the EW4 map: 5 of the 6 hex that surround New Orleans are water, the river is in the west, and don't has to be crossed to arrive to the mainland after passing the jungle. I even think to see the Chalmette Plantation, south of New Orleans (with a Fort ?) connected only with a, lets say road. I think for 3*4 Hex, New Orleans, the nature park and the sorrounding swampland is incredible realistic. EW4 doesnt'k have swampland, but I can recognize New Orleans, for the topography. Hills in Amsterdam or montains close to Berlin are not such a good replacement. Chalmette Plantation. As you can see, just on to outskirts of NOLA.  Venice, Louisiana. Officially the last place you can get to via car before the Gulf Of Mexico. This is the patch of land, where Farragut captured Fort Jackson and Fort St. Louis, and was where Fort Boulaye (the first ever European settlement in Louisiana to stop the British from settling the river valley they claimed). They wouldn't last a decade. There is not a piece of solid land down there that would not automatically disappear during a small hurricane. Buras was wiped off the map when Katrina hit.  I guess the hex system does not work so well with Plaquemines Parish. Point is, Plaquemines and New Orleans are two completely different places. It takes me an hour to drive to Port Sulphur, and little way down the river. I just think that trying to assault New Orleans from anywhere, from Lake Borgne, to Bayou Teche will not end well for the invaders. This is why Pakenham failed against a small force of militiamen and slaves, that along with uncoordination. If you want to capture New Orleans, do it from the south at Lake Pontchartrain. I doubt that Napoleon would even bother with attacking NOLA if it was already under US control, even if he was successful in Haiti. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on May 27, 2021 1:02:24 GMT
Thank you for your posting STILETT0. You even answered my question, how big a aproximately a Hex is. 1 hex = 1 hour driving = 50km-50miles.  |
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Post by littlecorporal on May 28, 2021 0:52:38 GMT
NOLA was still owned by the French when the slave revolt started. After word arrived about how bad disease affected his troops, the decision to sell All of the remaining North American French territories was made.
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