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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 1, 2021 19:40:33 GMT
hrabrimalitoster, in conquests he is great for holding a siege on light infantry, and he can still go plenty fast on those. Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, I would say that Formation, Counter, and Siege is better. In addition, both plain and commander are 45 medals a scroll.
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Sertorius
Nov 1, 2021 19:47:17 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 1, 2021 19:47:17 GMT
hrabrimalitoster, in conquests he is great for holding a siege on light infantry, and he can still go plenty fast on those. Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, I would say that Formation, Counter, and Siege is better. In addition, both plain and commander are 45 medals a scroll. Isn't that only 10 medals more than the normal price? You can get over 100 medals a day with bad ad luck and Sertorian war desicive battles if you have 3 good gold generals to put on tasks, so is 10 medals really that much. Plains are the most frequent terrain, while counterattacks happen often so I'd say those skills are kind of level. Formation and Siege are very situational while Infantry Commander is useful in all scenarios especially in taking cities. Also, as for Siege, I don't really have problems with cracking cities and they have relatively low health to me. Also Siege has quite the opposite use compared to some of his other skills. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Nov 1, 2021 20:06:35 GMT
hrabrimalitoster, in conquests he is great for holding a siege on light infantry, and he can still go plenty fast on those. Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, I would say that Formation, Counter, and Siege is better. In addition, both plain and commander are 45 medals a scroll. In conquest i prefer to use generals who have march skill, Pompey, Crasus, Bato. I like to use my generals for fast progress, there is simply no place for Sertorius, but that is just my style of playing. |
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Post by SolidLight on Nov 1, 2021 23:24:04 GMT
Seems like a pretty lousy buy really. He has pretty bad damage output on the player phase (compared to what you can be using), and enemy phase damage is very difficult to effectively use since you want as many enemies to attack your unit as much as possible, and that's usually going to get your guy completely crippled. Attila and Caesar are pretty much the only ones who can do that effectively on javelineers imo, provided they have the Laurel Crown or Dragon Tripod. He also doesn't have any speed and can't attack multiple times. He has siege damage, but if you really value sieging fast you'd like to move quickly too.
I don't really see a single situation where I'd want to get him, not unless I'm using like 6 or something infantry generals, which I won't be.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 2, 2021 1:13:25 GMT
SolidLight, He is certainly tough enough to be used as a punching bag, whatwith Sentry+Fasces+Thunder coupled with infantry's normal durability.
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Post by 曹操 on Nov 2, 2021 1:57:23 GMT
Serty defense capability imo better than Vercin Shield Wall, and it triggers more often imo
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Post by SolidLight on Nov 2, 2021 2:43:08 GMT
SolidLight, He is certainly tough enough to be used as a punching bag, whatwith Sentry+Fasces+Thunder coupled with infantry's normal durability. That’s a lot to not actually fufill the criteria of being good at enemy phase. He’s missing perma morale (probably the most important), ability to counter everything, mobility and sustainability. Attila is the only general I’ve used to throw into a dense formation to deliberately have the enemy attack him and get rekt, and that’s only on javelineers. Not a lot of generals are good at that imo since very rarely do you have a general that fufills all of the criteria of having damage, durability, sustainability, mobility and ability to counterattack everything. For good reason really. The game would be too easy if a lot of people were good at that. Being a punching bag is useless. You need to have teeth. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 4:10:15 GMT
SolidLight , He is certainly tough enough to be used as a punching bag, whatwith Sentry+Fasces+Thunder coupled with infantry's normal durability. That’s a lot to not actually fufill the criteria of being good at enemy phase. He’s missing perma morale (probably the most important), ability to counter everything, mobility and sustainability. Attila is the only general I’ve used to throw into a dense formation to deliberately have the enemy attack him and get rekt, and that’s only on javelineers. Not a lot of generals are good at that imo since very rarely do you have a general that fufills all of the criteria of having damage, durability, sustainability, mobility and ability to counterattack everything. For good reason really. The game would be too easy if a lot of people were good at that. Being a punching bag is useless. You need to have teeth. Yeah, that's the unfortunate truth about Sertorius. Why does ET have to shaft the generals i really like, like Scipio, Cicero,Sertorius, and Octavian to some extent. Ah well, maybe in a sequel game, they'll be top tier. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 2, 2021 5:34:33 GMT
Serty defense capability imo better than Vercin Shield Wall, and it triggers more often imo At level 3, Shield Wall has 3% more and Ambush the same probability to trigger, which Vercingetorix has. Then he has 3 damage dealing skills against enemies, while Sertorius only has one which isn't even the best possible. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 2, 2021 17:35:04 GMT
That’s a lot to not actually fufill the criteria of being good at enemy phase. He’s missing perma morale (probably the most important), ability to counter everything, mobility and sustainability. Attila is the only general I’ve used to throw into a dense formation to deliberately have the enemy attack him and get rekt, and that’s only on javelineers. Not a lot of generals are good at that imo since very rarely do you have a general that fufills all of the criteria of having damage, durability, sustainability, mobility and ability to counterattack everything. For good reason really. The game would be too easy if a lot of people were good at that. Being a punching bag is useless. You need to have teeth. Yeah, that's the unfortunate truth about Sertorius. Why does ET have to shaft the generals i really like, like Scipio, Cicero,Sertorius, and Octavian to some extent. Ah well, maybe in a sequel game, they'll be top tier. DO NOT INSULT MY BOY SCIPIO!!! Cicero isn't bad, but there are just so many better inf gens. As for Octavian, he is objectively the second best/best archer in the game. As for SolidLight, I would say that Sertorius certainly has teeth. On the enemy turn, he has +20 damage and ignoring enemy trenches. On his turn, he ignores trenches, kills archers, and reks cities, all with +55% defense. |
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Sertorius
Nov 2, 2021 17:58:44 GMT
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 2, 2021 17:58:44 GMT
Yeah, that's the unfortunate truth about Sertorius. Why does ET have to shaft the generals i really like, like Scipio, Cicero,Sertorius, and Octavian to some extent. Ah well, maybe in a sequel game, they'll be top tier. DO NOT INSULT MY BOY SCIPIO!!! Cicero isn't bad, but there are just so many better inf gens. As for Octavian, he is objectively the second best/best archer in the game. As for SolidLight, I would say that Sertorius certainly has teeth. On the enemy turn, he has +20 damage and ignoring enemy trenches. On his turn, he ignores trenches, kills archers, and reks cities, all with +55% defense. How about infantry and cavalry. Also, on a triple stacked swordsman, Shield Wall is considerably better than Alert. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 2, 2021 20:22:01 GMT
DO NOT INSULT MY BOY SCIPIO!!! Cicero isn't bad, but there are just so many better inf gens. As for Octavian, he is objectively the second best/best archer in the game. As for SolidLight , I would say that Sertorius certainly has teeth. On the enemy turn, he has +20 damage and ignoring enemy trenches. On his turn, he ignores trenches, kills archers, and reks cities, all with +55% defense. How about infantry and cavalry. Also, on a triple stacked swordsman, Shield Wall is considerably better than Alert. That's the job of Pompey.  And that may be true, but Sentry is nice to have anyway. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 2, 2021 22:13:58 GMT
How about infantry and cavalry. Also, on a triple stacked swordsman, Shield Wall is considerably better than Alert. That's the job of Pompey. And that may be true, but Sentry is nice to have anyway. Sentry isn't even as good as lvl 1 Shield Wall. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 22:26:59 GMT
How about infantry and cavalry. Also, on a triple stacked swordsman, Shield Wall is considerably better than Alert. That's the job of Pompey. And that may be true, but Sentry is nice to have anyway. Sentry is good in conjunction with shieldwall, as their proc rates aren't bad, and can make you do some really aggressive plays with them. Since maintaining high hp in the game is not too hard, having a way to mitigate damage is quite good. Sentry isn't good on it's own, and it needs shieldwall to make sure that it's use is optimized. Sadly, shieldwall can stand on it's own, while sentry can't without shieldwall. That's why I rated labienus much higher with banner of Vulcan. That said, Scipio is just sad gameplaywise. Really hope he was much better, considering he was the one who adapted to hannibal's tactics and beat him in both strategy and their first and final battle at Zama. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 3, 2021 17:32:20 GMT
That's the job of Pompey. And that may be true, but Sentry is nice to have anyway. Sentry is good in conjunction with shieldwall, as their proc rates aren't bad, and can make you do some really aggressive plays with them. Since maintaining high hp in the game is not too hard, having a way to mitigate damage is quite good. Sentry isn't good on it's own, and it needs shieldwall to make sure that it's use is optimized. Sadly, shieldwall can stand on it's own, while sentry can't without shieldwall. That's why I rated labienus much higher with banner of Vulcan. That said, Scipio is just sad gameplaywise. Really hope he was much better, considering he was the one who adapted to hannibal's tactics and beat him in both strategy and their first and final battle at Zama. But Scipio has three top-tier cavalry skills and one okay one (Raid)! He carried me in the early game together with Pompey! |
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And that may be true, but Sentry is nice to have anyway.
