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Post by andrei on Jul 15, 2019 5:43:29 GMT
I'm gonna say it. Crassus is better than Vercingetorix. There I said it  . As to why, it's more subtle. Vercingetorix will outright slaughter Crassus in a 1v1,but since the game is focused around taking cities and objectives, Crassus skills come to play. March is just a really great skill. That extra 1 range of movement is the difference of 3 stars in a campaign and a 2 stars. Siege is a great skill which seems to be overlooked. At max rank, it deals 48 damage to city defense. That is quite a lot. With enough attack, Crassus can one shot city 3s,or if not 1 shot, deal enough damage so a single destroy will do the job. Tunnel is just awful, but not useless. 20 damage at max rank will stack up. I would have preferred if this was shield wall, but you can't have everything I suppose. Counterattack is useful for holding cities, and is nasty against infantry and cavalry. His talent is not bad. I used to think Vercingetorix was better, but after careful consideration, I would say Crassus is better. It seems you value cities more than anything else, because you view this game mostly for conquest mode. Personally I mostly play the campaign, where Vercing's ability to slaughter is generally more valuable given that most campaign missions require you to kill "X" amount of enemy units in order to get three stars. Given your guide is written as a way to use conquests to get the best generals, it makes sense from your viewpoint that crassus is better, as he does move further and do more damage to cities which the AI will more often leave undefended in conquest it seems. I think the value of one or the other does depend on how you decide to play the game, as EasyTech did a good job giving us a lot of ways to advance in this game. For conquest I can understand valuing Crassus more, and so far I have only really used him in campaign, so it would make sense that we have these different viewpoints. Would you agree Crassus is to conquest as Vercing is to campaigns or expeditions? He only evaluates speedrun potential |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 5:59:23 GMT
Józef Poniatowski I also evaluated both for campaign. Vercingetorix usually lags behind my main group,and usually get slaughtered most of the time because of it. Vercingetorix is good at killing, but Crassus isn't that far behind. Giving Laurel crown to Vercingetorix makes him a beast, but without mobility items, he wouldn't contribute much to campaigns where mobility is needed. Roar is pretty much his best skill, and his talent shouldn't be scoffed at. But as it stands, I would say Crassus is better overall. Cavalry gens are there to clear out infantry, and even archers because archers are just too squishy. So there's not much need for infantry to slaughter units, just to take care of cities and archer gens. Although, I'd say get both if you have enough medals. Since I have Spartacus (even he can be deadweight at some campaigns), I'd go for Crassus.
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 15, 2019 6:46:38 GMT
Józef Poniatowski I also evaluated both for campaign. Vercingetorix usually lags behind my main group,and usually get slaughtered most of the time because of it. Vercingetorix is good at killing, but Crassus isn't that far behind. Giving Laurel crown to Vercingetorix makes him a beast, but without mobility items, he wouldn't contribute much to campaigns where mobility is needed. Roar is pretty much his best skill, and his talent shouldn't be scoffed at. But as it stands, I would say Crassus is better overall. Cavalry gens are there to clear out infantry, and even archers because archers are just too squishy. So there's not much need for infantry to slaughter units, just to take care of cities and archer gens. Although, I'd say get both if you have enough medals. Since I have Spartacus (even he can be deadweight at some campaigns), I'd go for Crassus. I wonder what's your Spartacus's equipment. When I play Campaign, Verci always go with Spartacus (with Scepter) to form 1 group (They can go with Archers also) and Cav gens make their own attack direction. I don't think speed and city is the most priority in Campaign (I also finish stage 8 main story perfectly), you always can make the thing on time with good fire power and suitable movement About conquest, totally agree with you Crassus is better overall. (But Verci is better at beginning, when you're in defend situation) (Counter attack is weaker than Verci talent in defend IMO) |
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Post by Lucius Vorenus on Jul 15, 2019 6:47:36 GMT
I will be spending far more time in conquest than in campaign. So that makes Crassus a better investment to me. Once campaign is perfect cleared (just got EW6 so ive been slacking a bit on rome campaign  I probably wont touch it again, but conquest has a lot of replay value imo. Ver is also slow, I like my Pompey and Crassus march duo  , and I have other gens better at killing than Ver, so it will be awhile before I buy Ver back as he simply is not a priority at the moment. I will get him eventually tho as I do think he's good. Btw Deleted, banner of titan seems custom made for crassus, and gets his siege to 60 damage and tunnel to 25. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 15, 2019 12:24:57 GMT
Actually, on a horseback Crassus is Antony lite |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 15, 2019 12:39:32 GMT
Deleted He is pretty slow, but then I don't value speed that highly. Personally I pick Vercing, but you have convinced me to gice Crassus a second look to see if he is worth a spot in my squad (:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 13:02:18 GMT
Deleted He is pretty slow, but then I don't value speed that highly. Personally I pick Vercing, but you have convinced me to gice Crassus a second look to see if he is worth a spot in my squad (:  |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 15, 2019 17:37:41 GMT
This is getting pretentious, imma just leave it be
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jul 15, 2019 18:30:45 GMT
Deleted He is pretty slow, but then I don't value speed that highly. Personally I pick Vercing, but you have convinced me to gice Crassus a second look to see if he is worth a spot in my squad (: I am going to restart (kind of bored waiting for the new update so im gonna make a couple different decisions, plus I want to try out commius and drusus) and build my own crassus. Imo someone like pompey or even labienus would be miles above crassus just in terms of raw damage. I am going to give my “crassus jr.” siege, tunnel, infantry commander, and a terrain bonus. Really I think that you are better off making your own crassus because like mine will be able attack twice, plus deal more damage on every single attack than crassus just on that. Plus your free general will have lvl 3 march. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 18:38:37 GMT
This is getting pretentious, imma just leave it be My apologies if it turned out that way. Just wanted to show how much damage Crassus does to cities |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 18:41:04 GMT
I am going to restart (kind of bored waiting for the new update so im gonna make a couple different decisions, plus I want to try out commius and drusus) and build my own crassus. Imo someone like pompey or even labienus would be miles above crassus just in terms of raw damage. I am going to give my “crassus jr.” siege, tunnel, infantry commander, and a terrain bonus. Really I think that you are better off making your own crassus because like mine will be able attack twice, plus deal more damage on every single attack than crassus just on that. Plus your free general will have lvl 3 march. That seems to be a great idea. Replacing counter attack with a better infantry skill would be great. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jul 15, 2019 18:42:31 GMT
I am going to restart (kind of bored waiting for the new update so im gonna make a couple different decisions, plus I want to try out commius and drusus) and build my own crassus. Imo someone like pompey or even labienus would be miles above crassus just in terms of raw damage. I am going to give my “crassus jr.” siege, tunnel, infantry commander, and a terrain bonus. Really I think that you are better off making your own crassus because like mine will be able attack twice, plus deal more damage on every single attack than crassus just on that. Plus your free general will have lvl 3 march. That seems to be a great idea. Replacing counter attack with a better infantry skill would be great. I like counterattack because its a rare skill you can dump your remaining scrolls into. I like to have a diversified time so that each general has different skills. But in crassus’ case, i feel the fact that he can’t attack twice is really what kills him for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 18:47:15 GMT
That seems to be a great idea. Replacing counter attack with a better infantry skill would be great. I like counterattack because its a rare skill you can dump your remaining scrolls into. I like to have a diversified time so that each general has different skills. But in crassus’ case, i feel the fact that he can’t attack twice is really what kills him for me. Agreed. That's also the one deal breaker I had with Vercingetorix. Although it's nothing severe. Tunnel seems to be the most unneeded skill on Crassus, but it synergizes well with siege. Counterattack is just useless against archers, but against other infantry and lighter cavalry it's really useful |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jul 15, 2019 20:20:58 GMT
I like counterattack because its a rare skill you can dump your remaining scrolls into. I like to have a diversified time so that each general has different skills. But in crassus’ case, i feel the fact that he can’t attack twice is really what kills him for me. Agreed. That's also the one deal breaker I had with Vercingetorix. Although it's nothing severe. Tunnel seems to be the most unneeded skill on Crassus, but it synergizes well with siege. Counterattack is just useless against archers, but against other infantry and lighter cavalry it's really useful Tunnel and Siege actually use the same flag, and one builds upon the other. Thats what makes crassus stand out the most imo. March is alright I guess. When attacking an archer, he really has no damage boosters. A lot of factors really take him down for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 20:31:02 GMT
Agreed. That's also the one deal breaker I had with Vercingetorix. Although it's nothing severe. Tunnel seems to be the most unneeded skill on Crassus, but it synergizes well with siege. Counterattack is just useless against archers, but against other infantry and lighter cavalry it's really useful Tunnel and Siege actually use the same flag, and one builds upon the other. Thats what makes crassus stand out the most imo. March is alright I guess. When attacking an archer, he really has no damage boosters. A lot of factors really take him down for me. Yup. He wasn't built to be a unit killer, so why make use him like one to be an inferior Vercingetorix when you can actually play him as Crassus the city destroyer . He can still kill units, although it's a second option when it's necessary. March is pretty much what sold me, since if he only had siege and tunnel, it wouldn't be useful if he gets to a city too late. As it stands, cavalry is still best for unit killing, and infantry is there to support them killing archers. There were instances in missions where I lacked enough damage to destroy a city and cost me 2 turns to capture it, or missions where I lost because my mobile units were stopped by enemy units, and my last movable unit isn't mobile enough to reach the designated point. It's mostly due to bad planning, but Crassus' skill set is more forgiving in general than Vercingetorix. |
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. As to why, it's more subtle. Vercingetorix will outright slaughter Crassus in a 1v1,but since the game is focused around taking cities and objectives, Crassus skills come to play. March is just a really great skill. That extra 1 range of movement is the difference of 3 stars in a campaign and a 2 stars. Siege is a great skill which seems to be overlooked. At max rank, it deals 48 damage to city defense. That is quite a lot. With enough attack, Crassus can one shot city 3s,or if not 1 shot, deal enough damage so a single destroy will do the job. Tunnel is just awful, but not useless. 20 damage at max rank will stack up. I would have preferred if this was shield wall, but you can't have everything I suppose. Counterattack is useful for holding cities, and is nasty against infantry and cavalry. His talent is not bad. I used to think Vercingetorix was better, but after careful consideration, I would say Crassus is better. 
I probably wont touch it again, but conquest has a lot of replay value imo. 
, and I have other gens better at killing than Ver, so it will be awhile before I buy Ver back as he simply is not a priority at the moment. I will get him eventually tho as I do think he's good.
