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Post by andrei on Jul 26, 2019 8:28:24 GMT
Exactly. That's what I am trying to say. That's why I was a bit surprised when You say yuanzhong is right as he is saying completely opposite. He says it is due to specific Huo's set of skills/talent which can't be true as different gens damage can't be calculated with different mechanics. I mean that yuanzhong might be right when he is speaking about frequency of critical attacks, but there is a difference between frequency of critical attacks and their power. Some tests are needed, but, maybe, powerful critical attacks are more useful than frequent ones. Yet, the frequency of critical attacks and high moral are tight close together, I believe... I'll try once again. Frequency is calculated same way for EVERY gen. I hope You won't argue with it  So, Huo's frequency is his base+talent+skill+item, same as other gens. And his set of items+skill+talent can't add something hidden in comparison to other gens. It is only base crit which is most likely influenced by morale. And morale is not something Huo's specific, right? Means Huo's advantage is still those 10%, nothing else. And yuanzhong is still sure it is not true |
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Post by stoic on Jul 26, 2019 8:35:56 GMT
I mean that yuanzhong might be right when he is speaking about frequency of critical attacks, but there is a difference between frequency of critical attacks and their power. Some tests are needed, but, maybe, powerful critical attacks are more useful than frequent ones. Yet, the frequency of critical attacks and high moral are tight close together, I believe... I'll try once again. Frequency is calculated same way for EVERY gen. I hope You won't argue with it So, Huo's frequency is his base+talent+skill+item, same as other gens. And his set of items+skill+talent can't add something hidden in comparison to other gens. It is only base crit which is most likely influenced by morale. And morale is not something Huo's specific, right? Means Huo's advantage is still those 10%, nothing else. And yuanzhong is still sure it is not true Yeah, you are right, Huo's advantage is 10%, nothing more. As I say even Pompey with high moral and only 25% critical rate has every third attack as a critical one. My guess, Arminius will attack with critical damage in this situation very frequently as well, 10% less than Huo, but frequently nevertheless... |
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Post by stoic on Jul 26, 2019 9:06:58 GMT
Btw, Cassius' talent doesn't work when he counterattacks, so, it is definitely the worst version of Rumour we ever have seen.
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Post by stoic on Jul 26, 2019 9:11:48 GMT
I am afraid that such skills as "Accuracy" will work only when we are attacking, and not defending, as well, because the description of it is similar to that of Rumour.
This makes terrain bonuses more valuable than "Charge" and "Accuracy". "Intercept" remains as it is because we can't counterattack archers anyway...
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Post by stoic on Jul 26, 2019 10:00:51 GMT
This makes Octavian's defensive abilities solid but hardly exceptional, because Accuracy and Besiege won't help him when he is attacked...
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 26, 2019 10:27:05 GMT
This makes Octavian's defensive abilities solid but hardly exceptional, because Accuracy and Besiege won't help him when he is attacked... Besiege works in both attack or counter. I make small test with bowman in Spartacus Uprising, fight near single Infantry, stand near him then fight or skip turn to check counter attack. I make the test with Mithri because it hard to check with Octavian when he also has counter attack. Both case give same number about 145 to 182 (more than 20 times for each case and exclude crit). My Mithri has Besiege lvl 4. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 26, 2019 10:28:38 GMT
This makes Octavian's defensive abilities solid but hardly exceptional, because Accuracy and Besiege won't help him when he is attacked... Besiege works in both attack or counter. I make small test with bowman in Spartacus Uprising, fight near single Infantry, stand near him then fight or skip turn to check counter attack. I make the test with Mithri because it hard to check with Octavian when he also has counter attack. Both case give same number about 145 to 175 (more than 20 times for each case and exclude crit). And what about Accuracy? |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 26, 2019 10:30:12 GMT
Besiege works in both attack or counter. I make small test with bowman in Spartacus Uprising, fight near single Infantry, stand near him then fight or skip turn to check counter attack. I make the test with Mithri because it hard to check with Octavian when he also has counter attack. Both case give same number about 145 to 175 (more than 20 times for each case and exclude crit). And what about Accuracy? Not yet check because don't know how to make Cavalry unit attack him  ( |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 26, 2019 10:37:37 GMT
Besiege works in both attack or counter. I make small test with bowman in Spartacus Uprising, fight near single Infantry, stand near him then fight or skip turn to check counter attack. I make the test with Mithri because it hard to check with Octavian when he also has counter attack. Both case give same number about 145 to 175 (more than 20 times for each case and exclude crit). And what about Accuracy? In same stage, I check with charge and Arminius and light cav unit, fighting near single Infantry, stand on Plain hex. Attack 136 - 174, counter attack 114 - 160. About 20 times. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 26, 2019 10:42:33 GMT
In same stage, I check with charge and Arminius and light cav unit, fighting near single Infantry, stand on Plain hex. Attack 136 - 174, counter attack 114 - 160. About 20 times. Well, actually it means that Charge/Accuracy are exclusively attacking skills. In counterattack Arminius' 20 points against Infantry disappear, it seems... |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 26, 2019 10:49:27 GMT
In same stage, I check with charge and Arminius and light cav unit, fighting near single Infantry, stand on Plain hex. Attack 136 - 174, counter attack 114 - 160. About 20 times. Well, actually it means that Charge/Accuracy are exclusively attacking skills. In counterattack Arminius' 20 points against Infantry disappear, it seems... May be like that  Will check more when I have spare time. My Arminius's charge lvl 3. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 26, 2019 11:01:20 GMT
Well, actually it means that Charge/Accuracy are exclusively attacking skills. In counterattack Arminius' 20 points against Infantry disappear, it seems... May be like that Will check more when I have spare time. My Arminius's charge lvl 3. Well, it fits even more perfectly in with my theory |
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Post by zink on Apr 27, 2022 3:20:12 GMT
so wait, 35+ def Vercingetorix or nah
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Post by Sun Ce on Apr 27, 2022 12:42:41 GMT
so wait, 35+ def Vercingetorix or nah But he has light armor in arena & epic war(hardest mode for now?) Isn't high defence better on a unit that has heavy armor? |
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Post by zink on Apr 27, 2022 13:14:47 GMT
so wait, 35+ def Vercingetorix or nah But he has light armor in arena & epic war(hardest mode for now?) Isn't high defence better on a unit that has heavy armor? You're right, although I picked Verci because his skills are defense That would make the custom general the ultimate defense general |
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Will check more when I have spare time. My Arminius's charge lvl 3.
