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Post by liamcog on Aug 19, 2019 19:48:11 GMT
I currently use Mithridates but I can afford Drusus by selling him.
Mithridates' max level for archers (9) is one higher than Drusus'.
Mithridates' skills are better, boasting archer commander over Drusus most of all. His skills are also very high levels.
What interests me about Drusus is that his morale will always remain high. This is very powerful on my Pacorus i, and will be combined with the 'advantage' skill which increases critical attack while morale is high. I don't know whether the downgrade in skills and ability is woth the high morale skill.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 20:04:10 GMT
I currently use Mithridates but I can afford Drusus by selling him. Mithridates' max level for archers (9) is one higher than Drusus'. Mithridates' skills are better, boasting archer commander over Drusus most of all. His skills are also very high levels. What interests me about Drusus is that his morale will always remain high. This is very powerful on my Pacorus i, and will be combined with the 'advantage' skill which increases critical attack while morale is high. I don't know whether the downgrade in skills and ability is woth the high morale skill. Nah, keep Mithridates. Buy Drusus later on if you want. Mithridates can one shot Cavalry with high morale,provided he crits of course |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 19, 2019 21:32:27 GMT
What about trading cleo for drusus? Once the new update comes out, guess who is going to be the number 1 candidate for the advantage flag...
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 19, 2019 21:37:54 GMT
Guys what about mih and cleo for drusus and octavian. They are both defense gods essentially, with massive output. Both can grab and capture cities very well, and both have strong defensive capabilities. Octavian is basically mihridates, but you trade a C- talent for an A talent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 22:06:49 GMT
Guys what about mih and cleo for drusus and octavian. They are both defense gods essentially, with massive output. Both can grab and capture cities very well, and both have strong defensive capabilities. Octavian is basically mihridates, but you trade a C- talent for an A talent. Sounds like a plan for you to eventually convince him to buy Surena. So, I'm gonna do it for you. Buy Surena instead. Also, Mithridates > Octavian. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 19, 2019 22:26:27 GMT
Guys what about mih and cleo for drusus and octavian. They are both defense gods essentially, with massive output. Both can grab and capture cities very well, and both have strong defensive capabilities. Octavian is basically mihridates, but you trade a C- talent for an A talent. Sounds like a plan for you to eventually convince him to buy Surena. So, I'm gonna do it for you. Buy Surena instead. Also, Mithridates > Octavian. Debatable Octavian - Archer Tactics (A tier), Archer Commander (S tier), Counterattack (B tier), Accuracy (B tier), Besiege (C tier) Overall score 84/100 = b tier Mihridates - Scare (C tier), Jungle Fighting (A tier), Besiege (C tier), Advantage (B tier), Overall score 82/100 = b- tier The statistics prove you wrong. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 19, 2019 22:27:39 GMT
For octavian, you don’t need to worry about terrain. But the difference between mih vi and octavian isn’t huge, so Deleted, I am willing to give you the “W” What about trading cleo for drusus? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 23:34:06 GMT
Sounds like a plan for you to eventually convince him to buy Surena. So, I'm gonna do it for you. Buy Surena instead. Also, Mithridates > Octavian. Debatable Octavian - Archer Tactics (A tier), Archer Commander (S tier), Counterattack (B tier), Accuracy (B tier), Besiege (C tier) Overall score 84/100 = b tier Mihridates - Scare (C tier), Jungle Fighting (A tier), Besiege (C tier), Advantage (B tier), Overall score 82/100 = b- tier The statistics prove you wrong. Octavian has lower lvl for archer commander. Counterattack requires you to get hit, and archers have low health and Def. Spartacus taking an additional 20 damage to dish out 200 damage with no crit is no Bueno for Octavian. Accuracy is okay, and Besiege with that lvl, heh. Mithridates has a better skill synergy, and higher skill lvls. Mithridates with high morale will destroy any unit that has a lower force unfortunate to cross his path. Mithridates also start at a higher archer rank. Ez win for Mithridates. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 19, 2019 23:43:38 GMT
Debatable Octavian - Archer Tactics (A tier), Archer Commander (S tier), Counterattack (B tier), Accuracy (B tier), Besiege (C tier) Overall score 84/100 = b tier Mihridates - Scare (C tier), Jungle Fighting (A tier), Besiege (C tier), Advantage (B tier), Overall score 82/100 = b- tier The statistics prove you wrong. Octavian has lower lvl for archer commander. Counterattack requires you to get hit, and archers have low health and Def. Spartacus taking an additional 20 damage to dish out 200 damage with no crit is no Bueno for Octavian. Accuracy is okay, and Besiege with that lvl, heh. Mithridates has a better skill synergy, and higher skill lvls. Mithridates with high morale will destroy any unit that has a lower force unfortunate to cross his path. Mithridates also start at a higher archer rank. Ez win for Mithridates. They both have archer commander lvl 2 tho. Besiege is trash, I don’t care what level it is. You only have to face spartacus in a campaign series, in which he is at best on a swordsman. The only other general as good at killing archers that you will have to face is labienus. You will get hit no matter what with an archer. Mithridates with high morale is, while we all want him to be, not always going to be the case. I know because I have caesar, and he rarely gets hit by the inspiration tactic. Starting archer rank and the final archer star is negligible. It is not an easy win. However, you do have a point about the synergy. The synergy of mihredates skills is the #1 reason as to buy him, otherwise he would be no better than Cleopatra. Overall his skill set is great. His talent is donkey poop tho. The main benefit mih brings is that he can help get rid of those strong tier 1/2 heavy cavarlies or legionaries. Even then, they are not that strong. I’d say they are toe to toe with each other, slightly more favorable towards octavian due to him recieving a better talent and accuracy (not a bad skill for an archer (i still it as it is a focused skill)). But you should by no means trade mih off for octavian if you already have him. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 20, 2019 0:00:04 GMT
  basically, this is what you are paying for Octavian vs Mihridates. They are pretty much the same, except octavian gets a crossbow for free whereas mihredates gets nothing (scare is a very inconvenient skill that betrays the purpose of archers). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 0:06:22 GMT
basically, this is what you are paying for Octavian vs Mihridates. They are pretty much the same, except octavian gets a crossbow for free whereas mihredates gets nothing (scare is a very inconvenient skill that betrays the purpose of archers). Octavian's talent is nonexistent if you don't crit. Meanwhile, although it's hard to utilize Mithridate's talent, executing annoying heavy Cavalry will be an easy job for him. Mithridates will deal an average slightly more damage than Octavian, with a crit advantage over Octavian. Costs less to overall. High lvl in Archer commander plus having advantage guarantees a higher crit chance provided you don't let him get surrounded. Cost wise and strength wise, Mithridates is superior. Surena is better than both tho, let's be honest. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Aug 20, 2019 0:37:35 GMT
Agreed. Not worth the trade off, cuz you lose 60 medals for an additional crossbow.
Plus jungle is great
But what about drusus vs cleopatra. There are many situations where having drusus instead would absolutely save you
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Post by liamcog on Aug 20, 2019 10:56:43 GMT
I bought Cleopatra so that when navy is needed, I have a strong navy general, but also the aura talent is useful.
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Post by dsongop on Aug 20, 2019 11:11:27 GMT
Octavian has lower lvl for archer commander. Counterattack requires you to get hit, and archers have low health and Def. Spartacus taking an additional 20 damage to dish out 200 damage with no crit is no Bueno for Octavian. Accuracy is okay, and Besiege with that lvl, heh. Mithridates has a better skill synergy, and higher skill lvls. Mithridates with high morale will destroy any unit that has a lower force unfortunate to cross his path. Mithridates also start at a higher archer rank. Ez win for Mithridates. They both have archer commander lvl 2 tho. Besiege is trash, I don’t care what level it is. You only have to face spartacus in a campaign series, in which he is at best on a swordsman. The only other general as good at killing archers that you will have to face is labienus. You will get hit no matter what with an archer. Mithridates with high morale is, while we all want him to be, not always going to be the case. I know because I have caesar, and he rarely gets hit by the inspiration tactic. Starting archer rank and the final archer star is negligible. It is not an easy win. However, you do have a point about the synergy. The synergy of mihredates skills is the #1 reason as to buy him, otherwise he would be no better than Cleopatra. Overall his skill set is great. His talent is donkey poop tho. The main benefit mih brings is that he can help get rid of those strong tier 1/2 heavy cavarlies or legionaries. Even then, they are not that strong. I’d say they are toe to toe with each other, slightly more favorable towards octavian due to him recieving a better talent and accuracy (not a bad skill for an archer (i still it as it is a focused skill)). But you should by no means trade mih off for octavian if you already have him. Sounds like Caesar is only just a tiny bit better than Octavian then? His skills are literally the same with Mith VI, and he has an A talent. I'd argue that counterattack on an archer isn't as valuable as counterattack on infantry, so there needs to be a distinction there. Octavian also lacks advantage, and crit skills are always second best for each class after the commander skill. Mithridates also has 9 in archery. Not a big difference, but big enough to guarantee higher output than Cleopatra |
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Post by dsongop on Aug 20, 2019 11:14:08 GMT
I bought Cleopatra so that when navy is needed, I have a strong navy general, but also the aura talent is useful. I think that Agrippa is a much better choice. I'm pretty sure Cleopatra can't reach consul, so her potential is limited. 7 in archery also doesn't satisfy me. Octavian, Mith VI, Drusus, Caesar, and sUrEnA are all better archers. If navy aura becomes important in a specific campaign mission or expedition, just put on the African uniform for commander |
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