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Post by Colonel James E. Ross on Jan 3, 2020 15:16:55 GMT
To be honest, I like stonewall better and never needed McClellan despite what most say.
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Post by xerexes on Jan 3, 2020 15:42:01 GMT
They serve different purposes. Stonewall is the dps while McClellan serves more as a support unit that runs and boost his damage even more. If you have Ludendorff you probably do not need McClellan.
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Post by Alexyx on Jan 3, 2020 16:07:09 GMT
George McClellan is better than Stonewall. Aura, better terrain, and precision strike. He deals more damage in overall. Stonewall is more like a spam-destroyer but does worse when fighting more powerful units like Generals. Ludendorff is actually both of them at the same time.
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Post by Colonel James E. Ross on Jan 3, 2020 22:46:56 GMT
Stonewall is free, and upgradable. I see it as a win-win. McClellan costs medals and would cost lots of gold to get him as good as Stonewall that I have now.
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Post by SolidLight on Jan 4, 2020 0:07:58 GMT
Stonewall is free, and upgradable. I see it as a win-win. McClellan costs medals and would cost lots of gold to get him as good as Stonewall that I have now. Him costing medals doesn't mean much as medals are pretty much only used for buying generals (and gold and silver/gold medals, but who does that?). Also, let's look at how they actually compare and not just throw opinions at each others. Jackson starts out with: 77 BA, 45 CA, M General, Count lv2 riding master, lv2 station, lv2 edge, lv1 tactic master, lv2 forest. McClellan starts out with: 66 BA, 35 CA, Colonel, Count Lv 2 precision strike, lv 1 edge, lv 2 cavalry commander, lv 2 plain. They both start out at count and ends up as emperor, so they're equally as expensive there. Statwise Jackson has +39% attack from stats at emperor, and McClellan has +32% attack at emperor. Skillwise, I have to give this to McClellan. Riding master is awful. Just +10% crit damage at lv5? Let's say the crit chance is 30%, then Riding master gives +3% average damage. It's also even worse as crit damage is unreliable. Plain gives more at lv1. Station is really dangerous to use as units in cities attract enemy fire, and he benefits more from using forests anyway. So what I'm basically looking at is lv2 edge, lv1 tactic master, and lv2 forest vs lv2 precision strike, lv1 edge, lv2 cavalry commander, and lv2 plain. The former has the potential to be stronger given luck and is cheaper, but is generally weaker on average. The latter is stronger on average, but more expensive. So what do I think? Stonewall IS cheaper. Not by a lot, and mostly by virtue of having some skills that are not worth upgrading, and also does have potential to be stronger than McClellan. McClellan is more expensive, but is stronger on average. I will absolutely take McClellan over Stonewall though since I don't have the attitude of assuming that RNG will go in my favor like people who argued for stuff like Davout. and I do consider his higher damage to be worth the cost.
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Post by Colonel James E. Ross on Jan 4, 2020 0:16:54 GMT
Stonewall is free, and upgradable. I see it as a win-win. McClellan costs medals and would cost lots of gold to get him as good as Stonewall that I have now. Him costing medals doesn't mean much as medals are pretty much only used for buying generals (and gold and silver/gold medals, but who does that?). Also, let's look at how they actually compare and not just throw opinions at each others. Jackson starts out with: 77 BA, 45 CA, M General, Count lv2 riding master, lv2 station, lv2 edge, lv1 tactic master, lv2 forest. McClellan starts out with: 66 BA, 35 CA, Colonel, Count Lv 2 precision strike, lv 1 edge, lv 2 cavalry commander, lv 2 plain. They both start out at count and ends up as emperor, so they're equally as expensive there. Statwise Jackson has +39% attack from stats at emperor, and McClellan has +32% attack at emperor. Skillwise, I have to give this to McClellan. Riding master is awful. Just +10% crit damage at lv5? Let's say the crit chance is 30%, then Riding master gives +3% average damage. It's also even worse as crit damage is unreliable. Plain gives more at lv1. Station is really dangerous to use as units in cities attract enemy fire, and he benefits more from using forests anyway. So what I'm basically looking at is lv2 edge, lv1 tactic master, and lv2 forest vs lv2 precision strike, lv1 edge, lv2 cavalry commander, and lv2 plain. The former has the potential to be stronger given luck and is cheaper, but is generally weaker on average. The latter is stronger on average, but more expensive. So what do I think? Stonewall IS cheaper. Not by a lot, and mostly by virtue of having some skills that are not worth upgrading, and also does have potential to be stronger than McClellan. McClellan is more expensive, but is stronger on average. I will absolutely take McClellan over Stonewall though since I don't have the attitude of assuming that RNG will go in my favor like people who argued for stuff like Davout. and I do consider his higher damage to be worth the cost. Thank you for the stats and the great insight, it made me re-think how I see them both, however considering the circumstances. I still go with stonewall because of cost, considering stonewall is given for free chapter 1 and is just as good as McClellan on damage at emperor, I would definitely go for stonewall, considering I haven't gotten McClellan or needed him.
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Post by xerexes on Jan 4, 2020 0:33:01 GMT
There’s no use comparing a monkey and a fish. They serve different purpose and are completely different. When placed as an solo entity , McClellan might be better in turns of consistent dps but who uses McClellan or stonewall solo anyways? When used together , both under aura buff, the damage difference is not that big but stonewall is always the one to come in clutch tho cus of the random RNG tactics master. Which actually triggers quite a lot in this game. Forest terrain is far more common in EW6: 1914. Easytech also added a couple of random mountains all around the map as well. So why not everyone just use both and dominate the battlefield? Cheers
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Post by SolidLight on Jan 4, 2020 1:18:03 GMT
There’s no use comparing a monkey and a fish. They serve different purpose and are completely different. When placed as an solo entity , McClellan might be better in turns of consistent dps but who uses McClellan or stonewall solo anyways? When used together , both under aura buff, the damage difference is not that big but stonewall is always the one to come in clutch tho cus of the random RNG tactics master. Which actually triggers quite a lot in this game. Forest terrain is far more common in EW6: 1914. Easytech also added a couple of random mountains all around the map as well. So why not everyone just use both and dominate the battlefield? Cheers Well yeah, absolutely. Use both. Solo is in regards to conquest, where your generals eventually have to split from each others in smaller teams. But really, I’m not sure why we’re even comparing the two. McClellan is almost undisputably the best medal cavalry and is better than Sheridan and Moltke.
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