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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 2, 2020 18:07:35 GMT
Differences from Tier List 1.0: - Revamped point system+1 point: - Tank stars - Empty skill slots - Skills: Plain fighting, Panzer Leader, Blitzkrieg, Armoured Assault, Rumour +0.75 points:
- Machinist+0.5 points: - Mobility stars- Average rating (on this forum) - Terrain boosts (not plain fighting or mountain fighting), Tide of Iron, Machinist, Explosives +0.3 points:
- Mobility stars+0.25 points: - Crossfire, Cover, Mountain Fighting, The weird XP skill - Potential stars (that you have to buy) minus 1 point: - Cost: (/500 medals for Gold, /400 medals for Silver, /300 medals for Bronze) Tier separations are as follows: S tier: 10+ points A: 8-9.9 B: 6-7.9 C: 5-5.9 D: 4.5-4.9 E: 4-4.4 F: 2-3.9 |
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 2, 2020 19:15:50 GMT
Differences from Tier List 1.0: - Revamped point system+1 point: - Tank stars - Empty skill slots - Skills: Plain fighting, Panzer Leader, Blitzkrieg, Armoured Assault, Rumour +0.75 points:
- Machinist+0.5 points: - Mobility stars- Average rating (on this forum) - Terrain boosts (not plain fighting or mountain fighting), Tide of Iron, Machinist, Explosives +0.3 points:
- Mobility stars+0.25 points: - Crossfire, Cover, Mountain Fighting, The weird XP skill - Potential stars (that you have to buy) minus 1 point: - Cost: (/500 medals for Gold, /400 medals for Silver, /300 medals for Bronze) Tier separations are as follows: S tier: 10+ points A: 8-9.9 B: 6-7.9 C: 5-5.9 D: 4.5-4.9 E: 4-4.4 F: 2-3.9 Uh. Why is Timoshenko and Sun better than Patton and Monty? |
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 2, 2020 19:16:21 GMT
Really nice work tho.
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 2, 2020 19:28:06 GMT
Uh. Why is Timoshenko and Sun better than Patton and Monty? Because I'd rather pay 1600 medals for someone who dies 15 turns into 1943 conquest for ROC than 2300 medals for someone who dies three turns into Allies 11. |
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 2, 2020 19:31:24 GMT
Uh. Why is Timoshenko and Sun better than Patton and Monty? Because I'd rather pay 1600 medals for someone who dies 15 turns into 1943 conquest for ROC than 2300 medals for someone who dies three turns into Allies 11. I mean. If you're considering price, I guess they'll be better but in terms of quality, Patton and Monty will achieve more. Also Patton and Monty isn't in Allies 11. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 2, 2020 20:05:47 GMT
Because I'd rather pay 1600 medals for someone who dies 15 turns into 1943 conquest for ROC than 2300 medals for someone who dies three turns into Allies 11. I mean. If you're considering price, I guess they'll be better but in terms of quality, Patton and Monty will achieve more. Also Patton and Monty isn't in Allies 11. Oh I was comparing Sun LR to Patton lol. Also I could literally get Guderian rather than Patton and upgrade one of his bad skills |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 3, 2020 9:03:56 GMT
I couldn't agree more with this thread, sums up the forum's collective opinion very well. If this becomes popular I will surely add it up onto the WC4 library!
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 3, 2020 14:50:56 GMT
When I make the infantry general tier list I'll probably make two tier lists, one for quality only and one that involves price.
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Jun 4, 2020 8:50:42 GMT
Differences from Tier List 1.0: - Revamped point system+1 point: - Tank stars - Empty skill slots - Skills: Plain fighting, Panzer Leader, Blitzkrieg, Armoured Assault, Rumour +0.75 points:
- Machinist+0.5 points: - Mobility stars- Average rating (on this forum) - Terrain boosts (not plain fighting or mountain fighting), Tide of Iron, Machinist, Explosives +0.3 points:
- Mobility stars+0.25 points: - Crossfire, Cover, Mountain Fighting, The weird XP skill - Potential stars (that you have to buy) minus 1 point: - Cost: (/500 medals for Gold, /400 medals for Silver, /300 medals for Bronze) Tier separations are as follows: S tier: 10+ points A: 8-9.9 B: 6-7.9 C: 5-5.9 D: 4.5-4.9 E: 4-4.4 F: 2-3.9 Still very biased. For example, Montgomery with rumor and panz leader beats Vatutin in every aspects (including movement and air force). Even Rundstedt or Yamashita with rumor and armored assault is definitely better than Auchinleck. Anyone from tier 3 (or 2) with rumor can chomp out Manstein easily. Read at my post in "General Tank Tier List 1.0" for more details, and let's discuss about them. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 4, 2020 9:45:36 GMT
Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC , what do you mean by chomp out? After all, we are not pitting generals against each other, but merely assessing their in-game potential. I would like to say that Manstein's raw damage plus insane max movement boosts him up the list considerably, so much so that he's a useful damage dealer with blitzkrieg though Im pretty much f2p Id rather use manstein than messe/timoshenko against a horde of enemies
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Jun 4, 2020 9:57:12 GMT
Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC , what do you mean by chomp out? After all, we are not pitting generals against each other, but merely assessing their in-game potential. I would like to say that Manstein's raw damage plus insane max movement boosts him up the list considerably, so much so that he's a useful damage dealer with blitzkrieg though Im pretty much f2p Id rather use manstein than messe/timoshenko against a horde of enemies Yes, he's still pretty useful, that's why he's on the same class as Vatutin, Timoshenko, and me (Sun L.R.) with rumor |
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 4, 2020 14:55:51 GMT
Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC , what do you mean by chomp out? After all, we are not pitting generals against each other, but merely assessing their in-game potential. I would like to say that Manstein's raw damage plus insane max movement boosts him up the list considerably, so much so that he's a useful damage dealer with blitzkrieg though Im pretty much f2p Id rather use manstein than messe/timoshenko against a horde of enemies Yes, he's still pretty useful, that's why he's on the same class as Vatutin, Timoshenko, and me (Sun L.R.) with rumor Even without rumor Manstein is still very powerful. Plus sometimes there's no guarantee that rumor will trigger everytime. Once, my level 5 Guderian didn't trigger rumor for 5 times in a row. |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Jun 5, 2020 6:11:10 GMT
Yes, he's still pretty useful, that's why he's on the same class as Vatutin, Timoshenko, and me (Sun L.R.) with rumor Even without rumor Manstein is still very powerful. Plus sometimes there's no guarantee that rumor will trigger everytime. Once, my level 5 Guderian didn't trigger rumor for 5 times in a row. Not really, without the rumor his capabilities are pretty much limited. That's why he's on the same class as Vatutin. Vatutin with rumor is superior to Manstaein without armored assault. |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Jun 5, 2020 6:45:34 GMT
Yes, he's still pretty useful, that's why he's on the same class as Vatutin, Timoshenko, and me (Sun L.R.) with rumor Even without rumor Manstein is still very powerful. Plus sometimes there's no guarantee that rumor will trigger everytime. Once, my level 5 Guderian didn't trigger rumor for 5 times in a row. The chance of a general with rumor level 5 ton not have his rumor triggered for 5 turns is 0.25^5 = 1/256 (around 0.4%) |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 5, 2020 9:34:57 GMT
Even without rumor Manstein is still very powerful. Plus sometimes there's no guarantee that rumor will trigger everytime. Once, my level 5 Guderian didn't trigger rumor for 5 times in a row. Not really, without the rumor his capabilities are pretty much limited. That's why he's on the same class as Vatutin. Vatutin with rumor is superior to Manstaein without armored assault. hmm thought you were adamant about silver tiers being nowhere near gold tiers  |
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