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Post by Torvesta on Jun 17, 2020 16:40:21 GMT
why are you using johnston? the 3 you should be using is plummer, jackson and molke, you can buy mcclellan if you want but don't forget about your 3 arty and ur navy generals I'm not. I was planning to get him but I guess I don't need him. Right now my main gens are, Jackson, Plummer, Moltke, Ivanov, Beseler, Macmahon, and Vazov i can send you a list of my general lineup with all their skills and equipment if you want. i've completed all the campaign challenges from 1 to 6 and i plan to do the remainder. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 17, 2020 20:22:43 GMT
I want Jungle, Surprise Attack, Cavalry Expert and precision strike on everyone. The last skill slot can be filled by a lot of different skills.
One, maybe two people should have Cavalry Commander.
Pierce is decent. Not especially reliable unless you’re using lv6 pierce and - 20 to 25 defense per attack is pretty good. It’s maybe something like 15% more damage against low def units and 10% more damage against very high def units.
Tactic Master isn’t bad, just pretty unreliable. Though it’s really good when it activates since cavalry gets a lot more value from acting again than the other unit types, and it doesn’t actually kill you that much faster unless you’re doing something stupid like using the second action to attack a tank or something.
Defense formation is also pretty good since it’s stacking extra defense on a tough unit type. Extra survivability is awesome as it means doing more damage before you hit 50% HP or doing more attacks before you die. And it’s more valuable the tougher you are. Maybe one or two people should have this.
And those are the skillsets I can think of. Alert is something I wish I could put in since it’s really good on armored cars. And armored cars are the best unit ever. I just think defense formation is better since it works against more enemies and is an aura so other people can have other skills.
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 17, 2020 20:38:49 GMT
don't underestimate edge, enemy can spam inf and you need to clear lots of them. also if there is a group of enemy units lets say a few inf and cav, you know that you have a good chance of clearing the inf unit and you can hit again - hit the cav unit after you killed the inf.
cav expert is good but with cav the most important thing is to be able to kill off units and be able to hit again. thats why i think the best skills are precision, jungle, surprise, edge and tactic with 1 general having commander instead of tactic.
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 17, 2020 20:52:09 GMT
don't underestimate edge, enemy can spam inf and you need to clear lots of them. also if there is a group of enemy units lets say a few inf and cav, you know that you have a good chance of clearing the inf unit and you can hit again - hit the cav unit after you killed the inf. cav expert is good but with cav the most important thing is to be able to kill off units and be able to hit again. thats why i think the best skills are precision, jungle, surprise, edge and tactic with 1 general having commander instead of tactic. I was iffy on edge, but thinking about it it’s pretty good when sieging since that’s 20 damage, unaffected by defense or anything, right on the garrison. The reason I didn’t consider edge is because the 4 skills I wanted on every cavalry general do more than what edge does in fights. So it’s competing against all of those. I think boosting attack is better than a flat +20 damage against infantry since cavalry has highly effective weapons vs no armor + high base attack. Cold weapon, Rifles and HMGs have all pretty good bonuses vs no armor. Maybe I’d give up on expert since it apparently works really weirdly, but I’m not sure. |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 17, 2020 20:55:31 GMT
don't just think about the effect of the skill, think about how the player can use/exploit it to get the most from it, ofc cav expert will be better than skills like jungle or surprise attack if you don't move to a forest or charge a long distance to attack. same goes for edge like i mentioned before.
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Post by AlterFritz on Jun 17, 2020 21:24:29 GMT
At least surprise attack adds 8% without moving¹, but the expert skills decreases just the attack floating coefficient; that means you could get that "additional" damage, but if the attack's coefficient is 1 then the skill would have no effect.
¹and is direct multiplier
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 17, 2020 21:37:43 GMT
don't just think about the effect of the skill, think about how the player can use/exploit it to get the most from it, ofc cav expert will be better than skills like jungle or surprise attack if you don't move to a forest or charge a long distance to attack. same goes for edge like i mentioned before. Edge can’t really be compared to Surprise Attack and Jungle. Since it doesn’t actually require any positioning. (With surprise you want to be as far as away from the target so you need to plan for that and Jungle is selfexplanotary) I’m pretty sure you can get more than +20 defense piercing damage against infantry by just stacking alot of +% attack, since cavalry has good weapons against infantry and edge is NOT affected by weapon type while attack is. Plus infantry has low defense to begin with. The only instance where edge really is better is when you’re attacking a garrison. |
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Post by tokra on Jun 18, 2020 5:54:11 GMT
Also which general should I add Cavalry commander to? Plummer, Jackson, Johnston, or buy McClellan. why are you using johnston? the 3 you should be using is plummer, jackson and molke, you can buy mcclellan if you want but don't forget about your 3 arty and ur navy generals Why no love for johnston? He is clearly better than moltke and mcclellan. I mean, besides the fact that I own all of them anyways. |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 18, 2020 6:15:39 GMT
why are you using johnston? the 3 you should be using is plummer, jackson and molke, you can buy mcclellan if you want but don't forget about your 3 arty and ur navy generals Why no love for johnston? He is clearly better than moltke and mcclellan. I mean, besides the fact that I own all of them anyways. molke is free, johnson and mcclellan is good but if you want a 4th cav gen, get stepanovic, he is much better than both mcclellan and johnson |
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Post by tokra on Jun 18, 2020 7:16:50 GMT
Why no love for johnston? He is clearly better than moltke and mcclellan. I mean, besides the fact that I own all of them anyways. molke is free, johnson and mcclellan is good but if you want a 4th cav gen, get stepanovic, he is much better than both mcclellan and johnson He is worse than johnson. I guess the only reason for stepanovic is the history mode. Or if you completed the game and you don't care about medals anymore. |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 18, 2020 7:23:41 GMT
how is he worse? he has better ability than johnson, stepanovic needs 3 skills changed, johnson only needs 2 but stepanovic has higher potential
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Post by tokra on Jun 18, 2020 9:44:51 GMT
how is he worse? he has better ability than johnson, stepanovic needs 3 skills changed, johnson only needs 2 but stepanovic has higher potential Both will end up with nearly same ability stats, so they do the same dmg. But due to being king, johnson will have also more def. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 18, 2020 9:50:11 GMT
how is he worse? he has better ability than johnson, stepanovic needs 3 skills changed, johnson only needs 2 but stepanovic has higher potential Stepanovic: 97 Battle Ability (+24% atk), 52 Cavalry Ability (+13% atk), +38% def at lv3 Prince Johnston: 93 Battle Ability (+23% atk), 55 Cavalry Ability (+13% atk), +42% def at lv3 King. That +1% attack better be worth giving up +4% def for you. Since it's not for me. |
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Post by tokra on Jun 18, 2020 10:16:10 GMT
how is he worse? he has better ability than johnson, stepanovic needs 3 skills changed, johnson only needs 2 but stepanovic has higher potential Stepanovic: 97 Battle Ability (+24% atk), 52 Cavalry Ability (+13% atk), +38% def at lv3 Prince Johnston: 93 Battle Ability (+23% atk), 55 Cavalry Ability (+13% atk), +42% def at lv3 King. That +1% attack better be worth giving up +4% def for you. Since it's not for me. I agree. Even the 1% more attack dmg will be negated once you give them both a browning pistol. So I still wonder what "higher potential" Stephanovic has. |
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Post by Torvesta on Jun 18, 2020 10:34:09 GMT
how is he worse? he has better ability than johnson, stepanovic needs 3 skills changed, johnson only needs 2 but stepanovic has higher potential Stepanovic: 97 Battle Ability (+24% atk), 52 Cavalry Ability (+13% atk), +38% def at lv3 Prince Johnston: 93 Battle Ability (+23% atk), 55 Cavalry Ability (+13% atk), +42% def at lv3 King. That +1% attack better be worth giving up +4% def for you. Since it's not for me. stepanovic: (97*1.24 = 120.28) + (52*1.13 = 58.76) = 179.04 johnston: 114.39 + 62.15 = 176.54 the difference is 2.5 in attack. so compare 2.5 attack and 4% defence. i still think stephanovic is better because if he has a higher chance of clearing an enemy, he won't get hit back so he won't receive any damage. |
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