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All 4 Star Generals Nov 12, 2020 20:03:20 GMT Der Kommandeur, kaidus, and 3 more like this

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Post by ray on Nov 12, 2020 20:03:20 GMT

There's 2 levels of each ability, a silver level and a gold level. You cannot upgrade abilities or change them as I can see so far. Each star in category is +5 damage commanding that unit. I only put the highest category of each general

Manstein (IAP): (5* Armored)
Armored Assault: Critical Hit Rate +24% when commanding armored units
Blitzkrieg: 50% chance the enemy won't counterattack after commanding armored units to attack
Panzer Group: Own Attack +15 well as that of armored allies 2 grids around

Eisenhower (IAP): (5* Infantry)
Crowd Tactics: Deal +10 damage to enemy when army size under command outnumbers that of enemy
Inspiration: Increase the moral of allies 1 grinds (< Spelling error by EasyTech) around by a little. But morale cannot be raised to high
Army Group: Own Attack +15 as well as that of infantry allies 2 grids around

Zhukov (IAP): (5* Artillery)
Artillery Leader: 24% chance to attack again after commanding artillery units to attack
Fire Focus: Deal: +12 damage to enemy when commanding artillery units to attack
Artillery Barrage: Own Attack +15 as well as that of artillery allies 2 grids around

Guderian: (4* Armored)
Blitzkrieg: 50% chance the enemy won't counterattack after commanding armored units to attack
Anti-Armor: Deal +24% damage to enemy armored units when commanding army units (idk if these are infantry or armored)
Tide of Iron: Deal +12 damage to enemy when commanding armored units to attack

Rommel: (4* Armored)
Desert Fighting: Deal +12 damage to enemy when fighting in the desert areas
Tide of Iron: Deal +12 damage to enemy when commanding armored units to attack
Panzer Leader: 24% chance to attack again after commanding armored units to attack

Patton: (4* Armored)
Panzer Leader: 24% chance to attack again after commanding armored units to attack
Blitzkrieg: 50% chance the enemy won't counterattack after commanding armored units to attack
Accuracy Strike: Cause +30% damage to enemy special units when commanding army units

MacArthur: (4* Infantry)
Fire Suppression: Reduce damage from counterattack by 40% when commanding army units to attack enemy
Raider: Critical hit rate +24% when commanding infantry units
Infantry Leader: 24% chance to attack after commanding infantry units to attack

Montgomery: (4* Armored)
Machinist: Extra 50% HP will be restored when replenishing artillery and armored units
Panzer Leader: 24% chance to attack again after commanding armored units to attack
Ace Forces: XP of units under command +80% during combat

Rundstedt: (4* Infantry)
Fire Suppression: Reduce damage from counterattack by 40% when commanding army units to attack enemy
Infantry Leader: 24% chance to attack after commanding infantry units to attack
Plunder Supply: Unit HP +12% after commanding army units and annihilating the enemy

de Gaulle: (3* Armored & 3* Artillery)
Desperate: Extra decrease enemy morale by a little during counterattack
Inspiration: Increase the morale of allies 1 grinds around by a little. But morale cannot be raised to high
Rumor: Extra decrease morale of the enemy around by a little after annihilating the enemy

Donitz: (4* Navy)
Torpedo Expert: Deal +24% damage to enemy navy units when commanding navy units
Wolfpack: Own Attack +15 as well as that of navy allies 2 grids around
Warning: Avoid 30% damage from navy and air force units when commanding navy units

Leeb: (4* Artillery)
Fire Focus: Deal +12% damage to enemy when commanding artillery units to attack
Artillery Leader: 12% chance to attack again after commanding artillery units to attack
Accuracy: Critical hit rate +24% when commanding artillery units

Yamashita: (4* Infantry)
Guerilla: 50% chance the enemy won't fight back after commanding infantry units to attack
Bayonet Charge: Deal +12 damage to enemy when commanding infantry units to attack
Samurai: Unit morale will not decline

Govorov: (4* Artillery)
Plain Fighting: Deal +10 damage to enemy when fighting in the plain areas
Accuracy: Critical hit rate +24% when commanding artillery units
Artillery Leader: 12% chance to attack again after commanding artillery units to attack

Kesselring: (4* Air)
Air Force Cluster: Own attack of air forces and that of in the airports and carriers of grids around +15
Dive Bombing: Extra decrease enemy morale by a little during air strike
Victory Rush: Cause +12 damage when attacking enemy in low morale or collapsed enemy

Rokossovsky: (3* Armored)
Machinist: Extra 25% HP will be restored when replenishing artillery and armored units
Panzer Leader: 24% chance to attack again after commanding armored units to attack
Anti-Armor: Deal +24% damage to enemy armored units when commanding army units

Yamamoto: (4* Navy)
Carpet Bombing: Deal +10 damage to enemy when air force attacks enemy in the building areas
Dive Bombing: Extra decrease enemy morale by a little during air strike
Air Force Cluster: Own attack of air forces and that of in the airports and carriers of grids around +15

Nitmitz: (4* Navy)
Ace Forces: XP of units under command +80% during combat
Naval Gun Strike: Deal +12 damage to enemy when commanding navy units to attack
Wolfpack: Own Attack +15 as well as that of navy allies 2 grids around

Vasilevsky: (4* Infantry)
Street Fighting: Deal +5 damage to enemy when fighting in the building areas
Crowd Tactics: Deal +10 damage to enemy when army size under command outnumbers that of enemy
Ace Forces: XP of units under command +80% during combat

Mannerheim: (4* Infantry)
Rumor: Extra decrease morale of the enemy around by a little after annihilating the enemy
Sniper: Deal +24% damage to enemy infantry units when commanding infantry units
Accuracy Strike: Cause +30% damage to enemy special units when commanding army units

Dowding: (5* Air)
Paratrooper: Troop morale will increase greatly during airborne operations
Carpet Bombing: Deal +10 damage to enemy when air force attacks enemy in the building areas
Dive Bombing: Extra decrease enemy morale by a little during air strike

Nagumo: (5* Navy)
Destroy: Critical hit rate +24% when commanding navy units
Naval Gun Strike: Deal +12 damage to enemy when commanding navy units to attack
Logistics: HP of units under command +8 each round

Mountbatten: (3* Navy & 3* Mobility)
Torpedo Expert: Deal +12% damage to enemy navy units when commanding navy units
Logistics: HP of units under command +8 each round
Destroy: Critical hit rate +24% when commanding navy units

Graziani (3 Star General but I'm putting him here anyways): (3* Armored)
Street Fighting: Deal +10 damage to enemy when fighting in the building areas
Rumor: Extra decrease morale of the enemy around by a little after annihilating the enemy
Blitzkrieg: 25% chance the enemy won't counterattack after commanding armored units to attack

That's all of them. Which ones do you think is good??

Last Edit: Nov 12, 2020 20:05:16 GMT by ray

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 12, 2020 22:22:35 GMT

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Post by Alexyx on Nov 12, 2020 22:22:35 GMT

My post formated weird way, so I'll speedrun it now:
Axis:
-Guderian
-Leeb
-Yamamoto (hybrid)
-Donitz
-Yamashita
Allies:
-Patton>Rokossovsky, unless Machinist is good

-Govorov

-Nimitz
-Mac Arthur

-De Gaulle is interesting
-No idea about air-navy (maybe dowding idk)

IAPs:
-Manstein>Gooderian
-Zhukov is the best arty in game by a nice amount

-Eisenhower - the most versatile (air/navy/infantry on both sides)

Additional stuff:

E(PanzerLeader)=E(ArmouredAssault)*=E(Anti-Armor if attacking only tanks)=1.24*dmg where E is expected value. Due to the ways these skills work (and overkill):
PanzerLeader>ArmoredAssault>Anti-Armor and like that for every class. PanzerLeader and Armoured assault are RNG based but yield better result in overall

I don't know how useful are morale skills and how good each class is. So take this as very early expertise XDD

*Unless the crit modifier is lower

Last Edit: Nov 12, 2020 22:29:44 GMT by Alexyx

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 14, 2020 5:27:14 GMT

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Post by kanue on Nov 14, 2020 5:27:14 GMT

Nov 13, 2020 16:27:09 GMT Gerd von Rundstedt said:

ray , what is a special unit?

Based on the little experience I have so far, you have baseline units (e.g. infantry, tank, etc) then you can augment that base unit with Special Force buff, similar to the way we add ram or catapult in GCR but to a much greater effect. For example, you can add Airborne force to normal infantry to make it a paratrooper with a skill to jump around the map, or Anti-Armor force to add 35-45% extra damage to armor units buff, or Engineer corp to gain skill to build fortificaitons, etc... The same for tanks and artillery.

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 14, 2020 22:22:53 GMT

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Post by SolidLight on Nov 14, 2020 22:22:53 GMT

So here's some generals I'm kinda interested in:

- Guderian: Duh
- Rommel: Axis tank
- Patton: Allied tank
- Monty: Allied tank
- Donitz: Looks better than Nagumo in naval fights. Though I might consider him too.
- Nimitz: Allied navy. Might try to avoid Mountbatten if I can get by with Cunningham.
- Leeb: Probably best axis arty
- Govorov: Probably best allied arty
- Rundstedt: He's the only guy AFAIK that has a life steal. Plus infantry is actually pretty solid from what I can tell. Can wreck if you use them well and teleport almost for free. Slowness might be a problem though.
- Yamashita: If I value damage more.
- De Gaulle: That's... pretty interesting. Might pair well with people with Passion, which Student is probably the only good one there is.
- Student: Actually looks pretty darned strong. I mean passion is +15. FIFTEEN damage. That's like three stars. Plus free morale as long as there's an airport nearby? With him being as fast as most of the other top infantry? Sign me up!
- Dowding: If I find it viable to have a person sit and air attack.
- Yamamoto: Same as Dowding but on the axis side plus some naval utility.

Last Edit: Nov 15, 2020 10:57:01 GMT by SolidLight

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 15, 2020 5:15:36 GMT SolidLight likes this

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Post by kanue on Nov 15, 2020 5:15:36 GMT

Nov 14, 2020 22:22:53 GMT SolidLight said:

So here's some generals I'm kinda interested in:
- Rundstedt: He's the only guy AFAIK that has a life steal. Plus infantry is actually pretty solid from what I can tell. Can wreck if you use them well and teleport almost for free. Slowness might be a problem though.

From what I see, Plunder might not be as good as we might wish for because it is 12% of one stack of unit's HP, not 12% of the total HP. Well, I might be wrong coz I only tried him once in a mission that he is there for the use. But, I really do agree that infantry looks pretty solid when consider the extra utilities it can get access to. Plus, I think infantry can also take command of the forts and get some nice damage/range buff (based on the descriptions, I have never tried it myself so I might be wrong again).

PS: Patton looks pretty good with unique Accuracy Strike because I can bet my lunch on the fact that enemy generals comes with special forces.
PS: I think the last general you mentioned is Yamamoto, not Yamashita.

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 15, 2020 11:08:30 GMT via mobile

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Post by SolidLight on Nov 15, 2020 11:08:30 GMT

Nov 15, 2020 5:15:36 GMT kanue said:

Nov 14, 2020 22:22:53 GMT SolidLight said:

So here's some generals I'm kinda interested in:
- Rundstedt: He's the only guy AFAIK that has a life steal. Plus infantry is actually pretty solid from what I can tell. Can wreck if you use them well and teleport almost for free. Slowness might be a problem though.

From what I see, Plunder might not be as good as we might wish for because it is 12% of one stack of unit's HP, not 12% of the total HP. Well, I might be wrong coz I only tried him once in a mission that he is there for the use. But, I really do agree that infantry looks pretty solid when consider the extra utilities it can get access to. Plus, I think infantry can also take command of the forts and get some nice damage/range buff (based on the descriptions, I have never tried it myself so I might be wrong again).

PS: Patton looks pretty good with unique Accuracy Strike because I can bet my lunch on the fact that enemy generals comes with special forces.
PS: I think the last general you mentioned is Yamamoto, not Yamashita.

Whoops. Fixed. Yeah infantry can attack at range if they’re stationed on a fort. The damage isn’t that bad either, but most of the time I’d reckon that you’d want to stay on the move.

Patton is probably a must have, considering that tanks are still overall the strongest unit type. And it’s not like there’s many other people that can compete with him except for Monty.

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 16, 2020 4:47:56 GMT

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Post by glaucon on Nov 16, 2020 4:47:56 GMT

Just eyeballing this list based off how these abilities worked for EU6 and Rome, this is kinda how I am ranking the 3* and 4*s in my head right now. It is too soon to know for sure since I don't quite see the utility of abilities like inspiration (or even this version of rumor), but experience might demonstrate they are in fact good.

Because the auras give a higher damage boost than the class damage boost (+15 compared to +12), I think all of the IAPs are the best general in their class. That said, Zhukov is clearly the best artillery commander. Manstein lacks panzer general, but even still, I think he is better than the other tank commanders (Patton is close though). Eisenhower is good, but probably the weakest of the three IAPs.

Axis

Tank:

Guderian (doesn't have panzer leader, does have three other good abilities)

Rommel (has panzer leader; tide of iron is a wash with guderian and if on a desert map clearly better than guderian, but how many maps is that?)

Graziani (Tank fighting in towns, seems situational and I don't like the description of rumor in this game - but it might be good so if it is then this guy will probably be solid)

Heinrici (two meh abilities that arent even upgraded)

Hoth (I don't get this, what is the point of increasing xp as the sole focus of this guy? no thank you)

Artillery:

Leeb (great set of abilities)

Badoglio (two good abilities and one ability that exists, he is fine)

Infantry:

Yamashita (three really good abilities with good mobility too)

Rundstedt (Yama has guerrilla>than fire suppression and I think I like his damage boost + samurai over infantry leader, but this is a close one for me)

Kuribayashi (great set of abilities, might be better than Rundstedt if samurai is better than plunder)

Mannerheim (he is one that could be a lot better than I think depending on how necessary accuracy strike is)

Model (I think there is a quite a bit of difference between Mannerheim and Model)

Student (If paratroop boosts morale enough then he has a role as a poor man's dowding - drop him airport to airport as your de facto air general)

Ushijima (this guy might be fine as a defensive wall, keep recruiting and replenishing and let him absorb attacks, but scout is useless)

Terauchi (inspire might be o.k., but only have victory rush as the other ability is not great)

Naval:

Donitz (aura gives a bigger boost than naval strike, so really, the aura makes him better than nagumo is all)

Nagumo (+12 damage and crit chance up)

Ozawa (go for donitz or nagumo)

Riccardi (a strickly worse Nagumo, don't bother)

Air: (does it matter? Yamamoto would be a great carrier leader and Kesselring might be passable with infantry)

Yamamoto

Kesselring

Yamaguchi (no)

Allies

Tank:

Patton (if only he had the upgraded panzer leader)

Rokossovsky (only 3* tank, but upgraded panzer leader is good and I will take anti-armor over Monty's ace forces)

Montgomery (machinist seems not great and ace forces seems bad)

Vatutin (4* tank, but I think the people ahead of him are worth saving up for instead)

de Gaulle (I guess he is more tanky than cannony, but really wish he had one damage boost ability)

Timoshenko (he has decent abilities, but none are upgraded, solid if unspectacular)

Leclerc (free and has panzer leader, but not much else to recommend)

Artillery:

Govorov (really solid set of three abilities, he has the upgraded art leader, but Leeb's fire focus probably makes him the better artillery commander)

Chuikov (wish he had an upgraded version of any of his abilities)

Alexander (useless)

Infantry:

MacArthur (really good set of abilities for attacking)

Slim (reserve isn't good, but two solid attack abilities)

Bradley (has infantry leader and other not as useful things, but better than the russians)

Konev (I don't like him or the next guy; I would rather have offensive abilities than counterattack bonuses and while snow fighting might be great on some maps - I would rather have bayonet, encouraged doesn't seem useful if you are already at high morale)

Vasilevsky (I don't like abilities like crowd tactics - but if it triggers on counterattacks too, you can sit this guy and just replenish him every round)

Tassigny (guerrilla + silver fire suppression is duplicative purpose, and victory rush depends on positioning and morale - give him bayonet instead and he would be above the russians).

Naval:

Nimitz (I like the axis commanders better, ace seems not good but a straight damage increase of +27 is good)

Mountbatten (I don't think logistic will heal enough to matter, and I like the straight increases on Nimitz over a naval only % damage boost + crit chance up)

Halsey (could be solid on naval maps)

Cunningham (I think I prefer Halsey's carrier boosts to non-upgrade naval strike, but he is free so...)

Air:

Dowding (seems like the best air unit; paradrop him to airports and he should be good)

Arnold (why?)

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 17, 2020 14:49:39 GMT

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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Nov 17, 2020 14:49:39 GMT

But has anyone found a pathway for generals, like which ones to buy and in which order, also has anyone created a ''tier list'' of the best generals. I know it's a recent game but I just think it would be interesting to know.

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All 4 Star Generals Nov 17, 2020 15:03:26 GMT

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Post by Henri Winkelman on Nov 17, 2020 15:03:26 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 14:49:39 GMT Don Quixote de la Mancha said:

But has anyone found a pathway for generals, like which ones to buy and in which order, also has anyone created a ''tier list'' of the best generals. I know it's a recent game but I just think it would be interesting to know.

Thus far, no such guide has been made and since you now get free generals with each theater and in each theater you can get bonus medals with certain generals, it’ll be hard to determine that, until someone reached the last theater. However looking at the free generals up until 1942 pacific (3rd theater), I think it is worthwhile to get an artillery general on the axis side (Leeb or Badoglio), since the only free art gen is chuikov, but he is on the side of the allies. After that maybe a tank general for the allies, as you only get Leclerc.

But I haven’t spend any of my medals so far, as I want to be sure how to spend them well.