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Post by George Rudi on Jan 29, 2021 6:44:36 GMT
journeykeen, Graziani is superior to all other tank gens, Guderian not included. No, he isn't. Graziani is slower and deals less damage than Rommel. Even his level 5 machinist can't stand Rommel's counter attack (AA+Crossfire). Crossfire is Mathematically Superior to Armored Assault. No, it isn't. Crossfire without AA is meh. Crossfire only triggered as a counterattack. Crossfire is only damage booster, while AA is Armored unit's base skill. What if your enemy is RA/ Arty gen in a RA? What if your enemy has high level blitzkrieg? your Crossfire then will be useless, but not AA. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jan 29, 2021 15:22:46 GMT
Crossfire is Mathematically Superior to Armored Assault. I assume you meant Tide of Iron instead of AA? Nope, AA. AA generally only triggers around 3-4 times a turn. However, being a tank gen, enemies target you, meaning that crossfire triggers a ton. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jan 29, 2021 15:23:41 GMT
journeykeen, Graziani is superior to all other tank gens, Guderian not included. No, he isn't. Graziani is slower and deals less damage than Rommel. Even his level 5 machinist can't stand Rommel's counter attack (AA+Crossfire). Crossfire is Mathematically Superior to Armored Assault. No, it isn't. Crossfire without AA is meh. Crossfire only triggered as a counterattack. Crossfire is only damage booster, while AA is Armored unit's base skill. What if your enemy is RA/ Arty gen in a RA? What if your enemy has high level blitzkrieg? your Crossfire then will be useless, but not AA. AA only counts for attack, not counterattack. |
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Post by George Rudi on Jan 29, 2021 16:52:06 GMT
AA only counts for attack, not counterattack. No,it's not, AA counts on counterattack too. I did some test on Roko vs single stacked Titan Tanks. AA+Crossfire: attack 93 & 126* ; counterattack 161 & 206*; then i removed AA, only put crossfire: attack 63 & 93*; counterattack 121 & 145* (* is the number when Panzer Leader skill triggered) |
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 29, 2021 17:12:53 GMT
journeykeen, Yeah, I agree with you on that they're pretty much the same general. What makes Rommel better to me is that he gets Armored Assault, which is really good for a tank general. Roko's Tide of Iron isn't too good and his panzer leader is decent, but I still think armored assault is better. More consistent. Rommel also costs a lot less than Roko, and those medals saved from the discount missions can go to upgrading his skills and abilities  . Also, I probably should take back Monty as a main tank general. He's not too good for 2600 medals and only 1 good skill (plain fighting). I personally do not factor cost in my analysis, because in speedruns you need the best anyway. But all generals need AA+ and PL, leading both with 1 extra slot for rumor or explosives. Rokko has more mobility, Rommel a better extra perk in crossfire. |
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Post by journeykeen on Jan 29, 2021 17:18:30 GMT
Crossfire is Mathematically Superior to Armored Assault. Your mathematics only accounts for one hit; a single attack is worthless on tanks. They are meant to attack continuously and ALL other units in the game should be used to support tanks, so that they can take advantage of this. Crossfire does damage on defense exclusively. By far the most critical part of this game is seizing cities quickly. Crossfire helps this only marginally. AA opens up cities rounds earlier. Want to prove it? Set up a conquest and capture a set number of cities in, say, 3-5 rounds. I will wager I will do it faster and cheaper. |
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Post by Vietnamese on Jun 24, 2021 13:16:07 GMT
- I rate rokovossky as a champion that can match manstein and rommel once you have fully upgraded him. Of course, my critical weakness is that it is very expensive, it can be said that the most expensive champion in the game is even more expensive than Yamashita. But believe me! His talent surpasses that of Manstein when you get to Cold war and UN difficulty modes. If you already have Manstein then you probably don't need Rokovossky or you want a good quality champion regardless of the price then he is the perfect choice
- For Vatutin he is a monster even surpassing Patton and Monty. The price is also very cheap, but the upgrade is also very cheap, very reasonable for the period from the European front to the Cold War. However, there is one point that I am quite sorry for, which is the slowness of a critical point, which is difficult for him to show in the 1980 or UN conquest.
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Jun 28, 2021 4:43:55 GMT
Rokossovsky will cost a s**t load of medals to be decent despite having a Major rank. Vatutin on the other hand is one of the best non IAP generals in the game at the cost of the Captain rank (Upgrade). Upgrading Rokossovsky is definetly a pain (upgrading my Guderian, Konev and Nimitz is already a pain). i am not sure about Vatutin, since he doesn't last long in the later campaigns (i am at cold war). Vietnamese yes, Vatutin is better than Patton and Monty, even though Vatutin is missing 1 slot, he is still great, Roko on the other hand, if you have Manstein don't get him (in the wc4 wiki it says that), Manstein is still inferior to Rommel and Guderian. |
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. Also, I probably should take back Monty as a main tank general. He's not too good for 2600 medals and only 1 good skill (plain fighting).
