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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 11, 2021 17:23:35 GMT
I beat the entirety of eastern front just using free gens, but I can see why people struggle with it. Personally, I think you shouldn't have bought Vasilevsky. He's a great defensive general, but most missions are not defense, so I think it's best to invest in a more offensive general, like Slim and MacArthur if you want an allied infantry general. Unfortunately, they don't unlock until Pacific. So if you really need an allied gen, invest in Govorov or Rokossovsky/Vatutin. Honestly, Vatutin is extremely underrated. Sure he has bad mobility, but that's honestly not that big of an issue. You just have to keep your units constantly moving. Vatutin has survivability issues, but he actually has more survivability than Rommel, whose survivability I don't see anyone complaining about, except eeeeef ,. With Panzer leader and no blitzkrieg, Rommel wears himself down very quickly even if he arguably hits the hardest out of all the tank generals (except Manstein). Vatutin has desperate, so he can at least punish units for attacking him. Vatutin also hits pretty hard himself, despite being a pretty cheap general. He has both Tide of Iron and Anti-Armor, in addition to having +20 damage on tanks. Also, Rommel is a heavy tanker, not a Mediummer. |
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Post by HangryBird on Feb 11, 2021 17:23:49 GMT
I beat the entirety of eastern front just using free gens, but I can see why people struggle with it. Personally, I think you shouldn't have bought Vasilevsky. He's a great defensive general, but most missions are not defense, so I think it's best to invest in a more offensive general, like Slim and MacArthur if you want an allied infantry general. Unfortunately, they don't unlock until Pacific. So if you really need an allied gen, invest in Govorov or Rokossovsky/Vatutin. Honestly, Vatutin is extremely underrated. Sure he has bad mobility, but that's honestly not that big of an issue. You just have to keep your units constantly moving. Vatutin has survivability issues, but he actually has more survivability than Rommel, whose survivability I don't see anyone complaining about, except eeeeef ,. With Panzer leader and no blitzkrieg, Rommel wears himself down very quickly even if he arguably hits the hardest out of all the tank generals (except Manstein). Vatutin has desperate, so he can at least punish units for attacking him. Vatutin also hits pretty hard himself, despite being a pretty cheap general. He has both Tide of Iron and Anti-Armor, in addition to having +20 damage on tanks. Roko is inferior to Montgomery by a long shot. Shoot, forgot about Monty. Only thing Roko does better is more damage against tanks. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 11, 2021 17:24:55 GMT
Roko is inferior to Montgomery by a long shot. Shoot, forgot about Monty. Only thing Roko does better is more damage against tanks. And not much more damage, because Anti-Armor really doesn't do much. |
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Post by HangryBird on Feb 11, 2021 17:33:12 GMT
Also, Rommel is a heavy tanker, not a Mediummer. Yes, that's why you put Rommel on a heavy tank if you can, but you don't always have that option. Besides, heavy tanks are expensive to repair. |
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Post by HangryBird on Feb 11, 2021 17:36:24 GMT
Shoot, forgot about Monty. Only thing Roko does better is more damage against tanks. And not much more damage, because Anti-Armor really doesn't do much. Yeah, tide of iron > anti-armor. However, Monty doesn't have tide of iron. Instead, he only has +5 more damage on tanks compared to Roko. Thus, Roko does a decent amount of more damage against tanks than Monty. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 11, 2021 17:57:30 GMT
And not much more damage, because Anti-Armor really doesn't do much. Yeah, tide of iron > anti-armor. However, Monty doesn't have tide of iron. Instead, he only has +5 more damage on tanks compared to Roko. Thus, Roko does a decent amount of more damage against tanks than Monty. In practice, Anti-Armor does much less than 124% dmg, or it seems. |
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Post by puchao on Feb 11, 2021 18:22:57 GMT
IMO vasilevsky is a mistake, the best allie general you can get first is govorov, he is amazing and Katsuya makes him a beast.
Timoshenko is a really good tank general, he doesnt do to much worse compared to vatutin and vatutin is not a endgame general. (patton is the best allied general for a mideum tank, and u want roko or montgomery in a heavy tank)
Imo if u have problems in the east campaign the second allies gen you should get after govorov is nimitz. He can be your air general whit his 3 stars, but ofc he will shine in the pacific campaign...
After that just save for mcArthur and Patton/Montgomery/Roko.
... About the discussion between montgo and roko, the difference between both is litle, i bought roko because he is cheaper and i like the extra damage on tanks, but in the end the skill that matters is panzer leader and both have good survivality thanks to machinist, also both have the same speed. The stars in air doesnt matter, you wont have your heavy tank general in the airport.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 11, 2021 18:29:04 GMT
IMO vasilevsky is a mistake, the best allie general you can get first is govorov, he is amazing and Katsuya makes him a beast. Timoshenko is a really good tank general, he doesnt do to much worse compared to vatutin and vatutin is not a endgame general. (patton is the best allied general for a mideum tank, and u want roko or montgomery in a heavy tank) Imo if u have problems in the east campaign the second allies gen you should get after govorov is nimitz. He can be your air general whit his 3 stars, but ofc he will shine in the pacific campaign... After that just save for mcArthur and Patton/Montgomery/Roko. ... About the discussion between montgo and roko, the difference between both is litle, i bought roko because he is cheaper and i like the extra damage on tanks, but in the end the skill that matters is panzer leader and both have good survivality thanks to machinist, also both have the same speed. The stars in air doesnt matter, you wont have your heavy tank general in the airport. I keep Monty in the Airport. |
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Post by HangryBird on Feb 11, 2021 18:38:40 GMT
IMO vasilevsky is a mistake, the best allie general you can get first is govorov, he is amazing and Katsuya makes him a beast. Timoshenko is a really good tank general, he doesnt do to much worse compared to vatutin and vatutin is not a endgame general. (patton is the best allied general for a mideum tank, and u want roko or montgomery in a heavy tank) Imo if u have problems in the east campaign the second allies gen you should get after govorov is nimitz. He can be your air general whit his 3 stars, but ofc he will shine in the pacific campaign... After that just save for mcArthur and Patton/Montgomery/Roko. ... About the discussion between montgo and roko, the difference between both is litle, i bought roko because he is cheaper and i like the extra damage on tanks, but in the end the skill that matters is panzer leader and both have good survivality thanks to machinist, also both have the same speed. The stars in air doesnt matter, you wont have your heavy tank general in the airport. I keep Monty in the Airport. Yeah, no. That's not how you use a tank general. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 11, 2021 18:54:06 GMT
I keep Monty in the Airport. Yeah, no. That's not how you use a tank general. I should rephrase that. Much of the time I have Monty in the airport. He does severe dmg with his unit, and the finishes them off with air. |
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Post by HangryBird on Feb 11, 2021 18:57:26 GMT
IMO vasilevsky is a mistake, the best allie general you can get first is govorov, he is amazing and Katsuya makes him a beast. Timoshenko is a really good tank general, he doesnt do to much worse compared to vatutin and vatutin is not a endgame general. (patton is the best allied general for a mideum tank, and u want roko or montgomery in a heavy tank) Imo if u have problems in the east campaign the second allies gen you should get after govorov is nimitz. He can be your air general whit his 3 stars, but ofc he will shine in the pacific campaign... After that just save for mcArthur and Patton/Montgomery/Roko. ... About the discussion between montgo and roko, the difference between both is litle, i bought roko because he is cheaper and i like the extra damage on tanks, but in the end the skill that matters is panzer leader and both have good survivality thanks to machinist, also both have the same speed. The stars in air doesnt matter, you wont have your heavy tank general in the airport. The idea behind buying Vatutin is that you can spend the least amount of medals to have two good tank generals before you get access to Patton, since Patton unlocks in North Africa. I agree that Govorov + Nimitz is the way to go, but maybe someone wants a tank general instead. However, I'd argue that Vatutin is an endgame gen for the reasons I listed earlier. Monty vs Roko is basically this: Monty has better machinist and raw damage, but Roko has better anti-tank damage. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 11, 2021 19:03:34 GMT
MacArthur, then Monty, then Govorov. Navy is Unnecessary.
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Post by HangryBird on Feb 11, 2021 19:25:07 GMT
MacArthur, then Monty, then Govorov. Navy is Unnecessary. MacArthur doesn't unlock until Pacific so you should buy Monty or Govorov first. Navy is unnecessary, but you're forgetting that we're trying to give advice to @vonmanstein77 . Since they couldn't beat the first mission with only the free gens, then they probably are going to need a naval gen for the pacific. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 11, 2021 19:27:42 GMT
MacArthur, then Monty, then Govorov. Navy is Unnecessary. MacArthur doesn't unlock until Pacific so you should buy Monty or Govorov first. Navy is unnecessary, but you're forgetting that we're trying to give advice to @vonmanstein77 . If they couldn't beat the first mission with only the free gens, then they probably are going to need a naval gen for the pacific. A tactic I use is to buy a gen, use him for the Campaign I am stuck on until I win it, then load and follow that strategy w/o the gen. |
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Post by HangryBird on Feb 11, 2021 19:31:01 GMT
MacArthur doesn't unlock until Pacific so you should buy Monty or Govorov first. Navy is unnecessary, but you're forgetting that we're trying to give advice to @vonmanstein77 . If they couldn't beat the first mission with only the free gens, then they probably are going to need a naval gen for the pacific. A tactic I use is to buy a gen, use him for the Campaign I am stuck on until I win it, then load and follow that strategy w/o the gen. So play first, then strategize later?! I think you have it backwards. |
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