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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 13:57:47 GMT
We're arguing about the better KV-6 and Roko has Panzer Leader+Machinist. Vatutin has shiny tank stars and tide of Iron. Vatutin is more economical. True but he's strictly an inferior endgame general compared to Roko and Monty. |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 14:04:56 GMT
Vatutin is more economical. True but he's strictly an inferior endgame general compared to Roko and Monty. How do you know that he strictly inferior to Rokossovsky? He does better damage, and still has the chance to attack twice. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 14:07:39 GMT
True but he's strictly an inferior endgame general compared to Roko and Monty. How do you know that he strictly inferior to Rokossovsky? He does better damage, and still has the chance to attack twice. You can say that about Timoshenko in which you can ask: why even buy vatutin? |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 15, 2021 14:07:46 GMT
No, from my personal experience Rokossovsky does little improvement, and Vatutin is much better than him. But I agree that Montgomery is Slightly better on heavy tanks. If monty outclasses Vatutin then you'd better believe Roko beats him too, even if Anti-Armor is bugged and does not work Roko still beats Vatutin when it comes to heavies. Wait anti armor does not work? Well that sucks. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 14:09:01 GMT
If monty outclasses Vatutin then you'd better believe Roko beats him too, even if Anti-Armor is bugged and does not work Roko still beats Vatutin when it comes to heavies. Wait anti armor does not work? Well that sucks. Keep in mind that even if it does not work people are still vouching about how good guderian is, really says something about Blitzkrieg. |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 14:10:21 GMT
How do you know that he strictly inferior to Rokossovsky? He does better damage, and still has the chance to attack twice. You can say that about Timoshenko in which you can ask: why even buy vatutin? Because, Vatutin is better. And if Timoshenko is so great the first general eliminated will be Rokossovsky. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 14:11:30 GMT
You can say that about Timoshenko in which you can ask: why even buy vatutin? Because, Vatutin is better. And if Timoshenko is so great the first general eliminated will be Rokossovsky. That may be the case if the KV-6 doesn't exist but unfortunately for everyone without Blitzkrieg or Panzer Leader it does. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 15, 2021 14:12:13 GMT
Wait anti armor does not work? Well that sucks. Keep in mind that even if it does not work people are still vouching about how good guderian is, really says something about Blitzkrieg. Blitzkrieg is definitely amazing. Is anti armor the only skill that doesn’t work or are there others |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 14:13:07 GMT
Keep in mind that even if it does not work people are still vouching about how good guderian is, really says something about Blitzkrieg. Blitzkrieg is definitely amazing. Is anti armor the only skill that doesn’t work or are there others To my knowledge only Anti-Armor is bugged, her sister skill(Sniper) works just fine. |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 14:16:14 GMT
Because, Vatutin is better. And if Timoshenko is so great the first general eliminated will be Rokossovsky. That may be the case if the KV-6 doesn't exist but unfortunately for everyone without Blitzkrieg or Panzer Leader it does. Panzer leader is not nessicary, because heavy tanks have just as good a chance to trigger Assault as Medium tanks. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 14:18:16 GMT
That may be the case if the KV-6 doesn't exist but unfortunately for everyone without Blitzkrieg or Panzer Leader it does. Panzer leader is not nessicary, because heavy tanks have just as good a chance to trigger Assault as Medium tanks. And what if you don't kill an enemy stack? KV-6 has the potential to hit 3 enemies in one go meaning doubling that output with Panzer Leader can make a significant difference compared to Tide of Iron. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 15, 2021 14:19:29 GMT
Panzer leader is not nessicary, because heavy tanks have just as good a chance to trigger Assault as Medium tanks. And what if you don't kill an enemy stack? KV-6 has the potential to hit 3 enemies in one go meaning doubling that output with Panzer Leader can make a significant difference compared to Tide of Iron. Since Anti Armor is broken, Patton on par or maybe even arguably better than Guderian? |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 14:19:32 GMT
Panzer leader is not nessicary, because heavy tanks have just as good a chance to trigger Assault as Medium tanks. And what if you don't kill an enemy stack? KV-6 has the potential to hit 3 enemies in one go meaning doubling that output with Panzer Leader can make a significant difference compared to Tide of Iron. With the KV-6 and Vatutin's output, what are the chances of that happening. You can still then target that same unit with your other forces. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 14:21:54 GMT
And what if you don't kill an enemy stack? KV-6 has the potential to hit 3 enemies in one go meaning doubling that output with Panzer Leader can make a significant difference compared to Tide of Iron. Since Anti Armor is broken, Patton on par or maybe even arguably better than Guderian? pfft not a chance. Panther+Tide of Iron completely trumps lvl1 Panzer Leader+Accuracy Strike+ARL and besides they are from different factions meaning you'll have to get both either way. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 14:22:52 GMT
And what if you don't kill an enemy stack? KV-6 has the potential to hit 3 enemies in one go meaning doubling that output with Panzer Leader can make a significant difference compared to Tide of Iron. With the KV-6 and Vatutin's output, what are the chances of that happening. You can still then target that same unit with your other forces. about 40% with katyusha support and even more without. |
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