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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 15:48:00 GMT
But then why is it not necessary on Medium Tanks? Assault has the same chance to activate on ALL amour units. And which tank has the most range to make use of the skill? Well what happens when you use Heavy tanks to attack Land Forts or Artillery? Then it becomes a very to not have Blitzkreig. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 15:48:43 GMT
uhh no and also exactly, Patton on medium tanks and Roko/Monty on heavies problem solved. Patton is still very good on heavies, and like or not might be better than Rokossovsky in All respects. Also patton being a better heavy than Roko I can see, but does that make Vatutin any better? Of course not. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 15:49:45 GMT
And which tank has the most range to make use of the skill? Well what happens when you use Heavy tanks to attack Land Forts or Artillery? Then it becomes a very to not have Blitzkreig. Simple, you can't take a counterattack if you don't initiate just let your other units take the fight. It's just like you saying Navy is bad because they lose to coastal Artillery. |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 15:50:15 GMT
Patton is still very good on heavies, and like or not might be better than Rokossovsky in All respects. Also patton being a better heavy than Roko I can see, but does that make Vatutin any better? Of course not. My point is Rokossovsky is the one of the most (if not the most) overrated general in the game. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 15:51:54 GMT
Also patton being a better heavy than Roko I can see, but does that make Vatutin any better? Of course not. My point is Rokossovsky is the one of the most (if not the most) overrated general in the game. There's nothing I'm overrating about him, I'm saying he and by proxy monty are better endgame generals than Vatutin. |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 15:54:01 GMT
My point is Rokossovsky is the one of the most (if not the most) overrated general in the game. There's nothing I'm overrating about him, I'm saying he and by proxy monty are better endgame generals than Vatutin. I'm still using Vatutin on KV-6 in 1945, but have no use for Rokossovky ( I tried him as my KV-6 General it did not work), while Vatutin has won me several battles on KV-6 in endgame. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 15:57:24 GMT
There's nothing I'm overrating about him, I'm saying he and by proxy monty are better endgame generals than Vatutin. I'm still using Vatutin on KV-6 in 1945, but have no use for Rokossovky ( I tried him as my KV-6 General it did not work), while Vatutin has won me several battles on KV-6 in endgame. You've seen stoic's images comparing the 2 on the damage department and Vatutin is the clear loser, if vatutin cant win at damage then what does he has over roko? 95 cheaper? Sure. Survivability? Heck no. Speed? Heck no. Potential? Heck no. Hybrid power? Heck no. |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 15:58:23 GMT
I'm still using Vatutin on KV-6 in 1945, but have no use for Rokossovky ( I tried him as my KV-6 General it did not work), while Vatutin has won me several battles on KV-6 in endgame. You've seen stoic 's images comparing the 2 on the damage department and Vatutin is the clear loser, if vatutin cant win at damage then what does he has over roko? 95 cheaper? Sure. Survivability? Heck no. Speed? Heck no. Potential? Heck no. Really, How come all Rokossovky has done for me is get destroyed but Vatutin has won me several battles in 1944 and 1945. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 15:59:35 GMT
You've seen stoic 's images comparing the 2 on the damage department and Vatutin is the clear loser, if vatutin cant win at damage then what does he has over roko? 95 cheaper? Sure. Survivability? Heck no. Speed? Heck no. Potential? Heck no. Really, How come all Rokossovky has done for me is get destroyed but Vatutin has won me several battles in 1944 and 1945. Because Vatutin is easier to use compared to Roko. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 16:01:15 GMT
You've seen stoic 's images comparing the 2 on the damage department and Vatutin is the clear loser, if vatutin cant win at damage then what does he has over roko? 95 cheaper? Sure. Survivability? Heck no. Speed? Heck no. Potential? Heck no. Really, How come all Rokossovky has done for me is get destroyed but Vatutin has won me several battles in 1944 and 1945. Give me a reason why Vatutin is better other than your own personal experience in a form of text we have no way of confirming are true. |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 15, 2021 16:05:59 GMT
I still think Vatutin is great general because he hits hard in general. But, I don't know why Port , believes that he is better on a KV-6. As others have said, you need panzer leader at the very minimum. Machinist is not necessary, but it helps a lot. But then why is it not necessary on Medium Tanks? Assault has the same chance to activate on ALL amour units. Ok, I guess I have to explain to you why KV-6 heavy tankers like these skills. - KV-6 has the ability to attack multiple enemies at once. (This is really key to the argument)
- Panzer leader + assault gives more chances of additional attacks. You want as many additional attacks as possible for a KV-6 in order to decimate a group of enemies because attacking multiple enemies means a greater chance of destroying a stack and triggering assault, which starts the chain of extra attacks. Panzer leader gives you a better chance to maintain this chain than a damage-boosting skill like tide of iron.
- Machinist is for making replenishing cheaper, so you need a very durable type of unit that doesn't lose stacks easily, like heavy tanks. Medium tanks are durable, but they can lose stacks faster than you think they can
As much as I disagree with eeeeef, on whether Vatutin is endgame material, he is definitely not the best KV-6 gen. |
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Post by Port on Mar 15, 2021 16:09:47 GMT
Really, How come all Rokossovky has done for me is get destroyed but Vatutin has won me several battles in 1944 and 1945. Give me a reason why Vatutin is better other than your own personal experience in a form of text we have no way of confirming are true. Well if you are a beginner you said it your self, get Vatutin first. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 16:17:22 GMT
The moral of the story:
Opinions on allied generals are very split.
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 15, 2021 16:24:11 GMT
The moral of the story: Opinions on allied generals are very split. Yep. Doesn't help that we only have two endgame tank gens for the axis: Guderian and Rommel. Not counting Manstein, of course. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2021 16:50:05 GMT
Here's a quote that I thinks Is pretty fitting concerning this argument:
If you want to always be right, you need to always be prepared to change your mind.
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