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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 16, 2021 0:18:16 GMT
Not if you have Amphibious. It provides a shortcut where there often would be none. It prevents your attack from being lowered in transport ships, it doesn't give you more movement or anything resembling a "shortcut". It allows you to deal +100% dmg in the water, and the water is often a quick way between two points that is mostly undefended. |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 16, 2021 0:29:17 GMT
It prevents your attack from being lowered in transport ships, it doesn't give you more movement or anything resembling a "shortcut". It allows you to deal +100% dmg in the water, and the water is often a quick way between two points that is mostly undefended. Not +100%; 100%. You'll have to embark and disembark on and from transport ships so your shortcut is not faster by a lot. Also, landing zones are often defended so how does retaining your full attack power help make a crossing easier? It doesn't improve defense, so your troops are going to be slaughtered if you can't land them. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 16, 2021 8:20:33 GMT
Ah, come on. Look at the forum. It is full of guides from inexperienced player restarting this or that game from time to time. Let's hope the guide will not become obsolete after regular restart. Probably I "went too far". But there always should be someone saying things most consider "too far". So, why not. I am in the proper mood  I don't what to say to you then. Pride in being solely responsible for saying things that "need" to be said will usually be taken too far. This kind of mindset is a shaky justification for doing things that are hurtful. I am here for almost 6 years. I like this community. My purpose is to make it better not to hurt someone, show pride or something else. There are several problems with this guide besides the point of inexperienced opinion. 1) The guide should lead to a good decision while choosing general. This game have no gens You can choose skills for. You can't reset skills like in EW6_1914. At least for now. So skills in vacuum mostly mean nothing. Just an example: I check in the guide skills: Victory rush - great skill, crossfire - average. Awesome! Heinrici is a great cheap tank general to start with. *Auto Corrected* decision, isn't it? 2) This is not the guide somewhere in the board, not an opinion of one single player. It's a pinned thread - means recommended to the community and new players. I am new player (regarding this particular game). What I see? Skills -with no real explanation why it is great and what are the situations that make it great. No. But there are different colours. It pretty, ok. So, comparing skills in vacuum gives nothing to You. Discussing the effect of this or that skill (with real testing and figures) is great. Comparing skills having just to words to compare great/average is useless, just like Monty's Ace Forces :В Generals is something worth to compare. I can't see how skills desribed by one word "GREAT" is gonna help me. I don't undestand what does "GREAT" mean. Great icon of the skill, great title. What exactly is great about Economics? No answer. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 16, 2021 8:22:03 GMT
I don't what to say to you then. Pride in being solely responsible for saying things that "need" to be said will usually be taken too far. This kind of mindset is a shaky justification for doing things that are hurtful. I am here for almost 6 years. I like this community. My purpose is to make it better not to hurt someone, show pride or something else. There are several problems with this guide besides the point of inexperienced opinion. 1) The guide should lead to a good decision while choosing general. This game has no gens You can choose skills for. You can't reset skills like in EW6_1914. At least for now. So skills in vacuum mostly mean nothing. Just an example: I check in the guide skills: Victory rush - great skill, crossfire - average. Awesome! Heinrici is a great cheap tank general to start with. *Auto Corrected* decision, isn't it? 2) This is not the guide somewhere in the board, not an opinion of one single player. It's a pinned thread - means recommended to the community and new players. I am new player (regarding this particular game). What I see? Skills -with no real explanation why it is great and what are the situations that make it great. No. But there are different colours. It pretty, ok. So, comparing skills in vacuum gives nothing to You. Discussing the effect of this or that skill (with real testing and figures) is great. Comparing skills having just two words to compare great/average is useless, just like Monty's Ace Forces  Generals is something worth to compare. I can't see how skills desription in one word "GREAT" is gonna help me. I don't undestand what does "GREAT" mean. Great icon of the skill, great title. What exactly is great about Economics? No answer. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 16, 2021 8:53:44 GMT
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Post by stoic on Mar 16, 2021 9:10:56 GMT
I am sure it wasn't andrei's intention to hurt Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus's feelings and I hope that Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus won't take it personally. But I think it is a bit premature move to rank skills before an update with Antarctic missions is out and before we are absolutely sure that recommended skills are indeed helpful or useless. Of course, it is possible to update the thread from time to time, but don't forget we have many unregistered players who read the forum and make important decisions. And to rank AntiArmor as useless (as it was yesterday) or great (as it is today) without any practical proofs could be confusing indeed. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 16, 2021 9:44:04 GMT
I am sure it wasn't andrei's intention to hurt Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus's feelings and I hope that Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus won't take it personally. But I think it is a bit premature move to rank skills before an update with Antarctic missions is out and before we are absolutely sure that recommended skills are indeed helpful or useless. Of course, it is possible to update the thread from time to time, but don't forget we have many unregistered players who read the forum and make important decisions. And to rank AntiArmor as useless (as it was yesterday) or great (as it is today) without any practical proofs could be confusing indeed. The Anti-Armor thing was my bad, sorry about that. |
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Post by Port on Mar 16, 2021 10:59:29 GMT
Let me guys ask why you decided that AntiArmor isn't working properly? It is an easy experiment in fact. Battle of El Guettar. Timoshenko or Roko can attack Kleist. Timoshenko has 6 points of damage advantage over Rokossovsky, but Rokossovsky's damage 9 out of 10 times is higher. Umm stoic, The Battle of El Guettar is Axis, and the generals you are talking about are allied.    |
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Post by Port on Mar 16, 2021 11:00:21 GMT
Let me guys ask why you decided that AntiArmor isn't working properly? It is an easy experiment in fact. Battle of El Guettar. Timoshenko or Roko can attack Kleist. Timoshenko has 6 points of damage advantage over Rokossovsky, but Rokossovsky's damage 9 out of 10 times is higher. Umm stoic , The Battle of El Guettar is Axis, and the generals you are talking about are allied. , I think you mean Operation Vulcan, that brutal battle. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 16, 2021 11:33:40 GMT
That actually relieves a lot of stress. I think about 2 weeks to complete it will be needed. This thread is mostly just supposed to be supplemental to the gog 3 generals guide I will make after the update. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 16, 2021 11:34:54 GMT
Umm stoic , The Battle of El Guettar is Axis, and the generals you are talking about are allied. , I think you mean Operation Vulcan, that brutal battle. Yes, that's right  |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 16, 2021 11:38:58 GMT
I don't what to say to you then. Pride in being solely responsible for saying things that "need" to be said will usually be taken too far. This kind of mindset is a shaky justification for doing things that are hurtful. I am here for almost 6 years. I like this community. My purpose is to make it better not to hurt someone, show pride or something else. There are several problems with this guide besides the point of inexperienced opinion. 1) The guide should lead to a good decision while choosing general. This game have no gens You can choose skills for. You can't reset skills like in EW6_1914. At least for now. So skills in vacuum mostly mean nothing. Just an example: I check in the guide skills: Victory rush - great skill, crossfire - average. Awesome! Heinrici is a great cheap tank general to start with. *Auto Corrected* decision, isn't it? 2) This is not the guide somewhere in the board, not an opinion of one single player. It's a pinned thread - means recommended to the community and new players. I am new player (regarding this particular game). What I see? Skills -with no real explanation why it is great and what are the situations that make it great. No. But there are different colours. It pretty, ok. So, comparing skills in vacuum gives nothing to You. Discussing the effect of this or that skill (with real testing and figures) is great. Comparing skills having just to words to compare great/average is useless, just like Monty's Ace Forces :В Generals is something worth to compare. I can't see how skills desribed by one word "GREAT" is gonna help me. I don't undestand what does "GREAT" mean. Great icon of the skill, great title. What exactly is great about Economics? No answer. If you go to the first post of the guide, and click on artillery leader, that is what I plan on doing for every skill in the game, it isn’t supposed to be just one word. The problem is the guide is 10% completed at the moment as I have only done 3 former reviews of skills. And this thread was mostly made to be complementary to the all generals review that I will make after the update. And while some skills are obvious, the Samurai skill for instant looks amazing under the surface but actually turned out to be quite terrible, same with desperate. I think you are just upset that it is pinned. You are right. Its not going to be pinworthy for about a month. It still has work to be done. |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 16, 2021 14:44:42 GMT
I am here for almost 6 years. I like this community. My purpose is to make it better not to hurt someone, show pride or something else. There are several problems with this guide besides the point of inexperienced opinion. 1) The guide should lead to a good decision while choosing general. This game has no gens You can choose skills for. You can't reset skills like in EW6_1914. At least for now. So skills in vacuum mostly mean nothing. Just an example: I check in the guide skills: Victory rush - great skill, crossfire - average. Awesome! Heinrici is a great cheap tank general to start with. *Auto Corrected* decision, isn't it? 2) This is not the guide somewhere in the board, not an opinion of one single player. It's a pinned thread - means recommended to the community and new players. I am new player (regarding this particular game). What I see? Skills -with no real explanation why it is great and what are the situations that make it great. No. But there are different colours. It pretty, ok. So, comparing skills in vacuum gives nothing to You. Discussing the effect of this or that skill (with real testing and figures) is great. Comparing skills having just two words to compare great/average is useless, just like Monty's Ace Forces Generals is something worth to compare. I can't see how skills desription in one word "GREAT" is gonna help me. I don't undestand what does "GREAT" mean. Great icon of the skill, great title. What exactly is great about Economics? No answer. Again, your criticisms are valid and because of that, I understand that you're trying to help. Especially, the critique that this thread shouldn't be pinned; you're right, it's simply not complete yet. I'm not sure why it was pinned in the first place. Everyone thinks you have done no harm, so I suppose I'm just mistaken. You probably didn't mean to personally attack Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus , but you could have posted these reasons with your original post to make it clear that you were offering constructive criticism. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Mar 17, 2021 17:16:38 GMT
Finished. Only thing I need to know is if Rumor is a good or bad skill and why. Otherwise, the skill guide is fully reviewed, and I will arrange it into a ew4 style general review guide where there is a whole paragraph under each skill comparing it to other skills of its respective type. But 97% of the skills have been reviewed.
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Post by andrei on Mar 17, 2021 17:50:08 GMT
Finished. Only thing I need to know is if Rumor is a good or bad skill and why. Otherwise, the skill guide is fully reviewed, and I will arrange it into a ew4 style general review guide where there is a whole paragraph under each skill comparing it to other skills of its respective type. But 97% of the skills have been reviewed. Fire suppression and Plunder Supply should probably be removed from tanks as those are Universal skills. P.S.: How the heck Rundstedt with only +10 attack can compete with Rommel with +32 attack on tanks and additional chance to attack again? Tanks are supposed to deal damage... Yeah, Rundstedt is definetely most overrated gen |
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