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Post by eeeeef on Mar 17, 2021 3:45:45 GMT
eeeeef, let's just agree to disagree, you have made your points, I have made mine. We seem to be in a deadlock so why perpatuate it ? Yeah I agree, let's just drop this argument. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 17, 2021 6:42:35 GMT
Yeah, also disagree about Leeb vs Badoglio. First, 3* vs 4* and important skill. Second, Economics is useless. Just absolute garbage. It should provide at least twice as much in order to be viable. For now, it's almost nothing. Moreover normally You can't afford keeping arty which is very important on the battlefield inside the city. And yes, he has 1* additional movement but if You plan to utilize Economics.. who cares? Would be OK with air gen, not a battlefield gen. Economics is pretty mediocre in campaigns and conquests but have you considered that economics is active 100% of the time in army group? An average army group run last around 25 turns in that time badoglio contributes 190 economy if you deploy him turn 1 which is not that hard condition to fulfill. Long story short he's a game changer in army group that makes grinding there alot easier. I am playing Army Group mode only right now to grind some resources. Imo You only need money during first 10 turns. But the amount Badoglio can additionally provide can't save Your day. It's pathetic. You can additionally replenish single infantry unit once. No, I can live without that for sure. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 17, 2021 7:15:29 GMT
Again, I think, the problem is artificial. I presume andrei bought Zhukov, therefore he does not need Badoglio, because a pair of generals Zhukov/Leeb looks frightning enough. But without Zhukov the choice is rather limited, as it was mentioned before. I think Guderian/Rommel/Leeb/Badoglio are far ahead of other axis tank/artillery generals. Badoglio's bonus is working in all types of buildings, including ports, oil fields etc. So, surprisingly, he can be quite useful in campaigns as well. Finances are quite a big headache in 1945 Pacific campaigns. So additional income won't hurt for sure, but it isn't gamechanging. Badoglio is a potent Artillery general and can destroy armored units with one strike. But Leeb indeed has an edge over him because of his chance to attack again. only 12 percent but it synergises well with Elefant. Yet, as I said, we usualy have two or more heavy Artillery units (at the start or as reinforcement), so hiring both is a good option indeed. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 17, 2021 7:19:58 GMT
Again, I think, the problem is artificial. I presume andrei bought Zhukov, therefore he does not need Badoglio, because a pair of generals Zhukov/Leeb looks frightning enough. But without Zhukov the choice is rather limited, as it was mentioned before. I think Guderian/Rommel/Leeb/Badoglio are far ahead of other axis tank/artillery generals. Badoglio's bonus is working in all types of buildings, including ports etc. So, surprisingly, he can be quite useful in campaigns as well. Finances are quite a big headache in 1945 Pacific campaigns. So additional income won't hurt for sure, but it isn't gamechanging. Badoglio is a potent Artillery general and can destroy armored units with one strike. But Leeb indeed has an edge over him because of his chance to attack again. only 12 percent but it synergises well with Elefant. Yet, as I said, we usualy have two or more heavy Artillery units (at the start or as reinforcement), so hiring both is a good option indeed. Yes, as usual. I know that Badoglio is only valid arty to choose after Leeb, but the discussion was about "Badoglio is better than Leeb". Which looks quite dubious. |
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Post by HangryBird on Mar 17, 2021 7:39:05 GMT
Again, I think, the problem is artificial. I presume andrei bought Zhukov, therefore he does not need Badoglio, because a pair of generals Zhukov/Leeb looks frightning enough. But without Zhukov the choice is rather limited, as it was mentioned before. I think Guderian/Rommel/Leeb/Badoglio are far ahead of other axis tank/artillery generals. Badoglio's bonus is working in all types of buildings, including ports etc. So, surprisingly, he can be quite useful in campaigns as well. Finances are quite a big headache in 1945 Pacific campaigns. So additional income won't hurt for sure, but it isn't gamechanging. Badoglio is a potent Artillery general and can destroy armored units with one strike. But Leeb indeed has an edge over him because of his chance to attack again. only 12 percent but it synergises well with Elefant. Yet, as I said, we usualy have two or more heavy Artillery units (at the start or as reinforcement), so hiring both is a good option indeed. Yes, as usual. I know that Badoglio is only valid arty to choose after Leeb, but the discussion was about "Badoglio is better than Leeb". Which looks quite dubious. I voted for Badoglio being underrated, but there's no way he's better than Leeb. Economics and +1 movement can't make up for Leeb's damage potential. |
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Post by Port on Mar 17, 2021 13:43:43 GMT
Going to have to disagree on Leeb. He should be pink because he hits like a freight train. He is just pure damage: 4 artillery stars, fire focus, accuracy, and artillery leader. Still 6 gold. That makes a massive difference if you have no money. I mean if you think about it, all he loses to leeb is 12% chance to attack again and an artillery star. Perhaps I should have made Leeb blue though. Govorov is also not getting the pink, he is getting the blue. But then who replaces Zhukov. The options for very good Artillery Generals for allies are Govorov or Zhukov. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 17, 2021 13:52:55 GMT
Still 6 gold. That makes a massive difference if you have no money. I mean if you think about it, all he loses to leeb is 12% chance to attack again and an artillery star. Perhaps I should have made Leeb blue though. Govorov is also not getting the pink, he is getting the blue. But then who replaces Zhukov. The options for very good Artillery Generals for allies are Govorov or Zhukov. Easy, Chuikov. |
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Post by Port on Mar 17, 2021 14:04:13 GMT
But then who replaces Zhukov. The options for very good Artillery Generals for allies are Govorov or Zhukov. Easy, Chuikov. But Chuikov is not as good as Govorov. Govorov is more of a damage machine on a Katyusha. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 17, 2021 14:05:48 GMT
But Chuikov is not as good as Govorov. Govorov is more of a damage machine on a Katyusha. Yes Chuikov is strictly worse then Govorov but he's the 2nd best F2P allied artillery general and is a good pick if you don't have Zhukov |
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Post by Port on Mar 17, 2021 14:06:20 GMT
But Chuikov is not as good as Govorov. Govorov is more of a damage machine on a Katyusha. Yes Chuikov is strictly worse then Govorov but he's the 2nd best F2P allied artillery general and is a good pick if you don't have Zhukov Yes, but you would still want Govorov. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 17, 2021 14:08:37 GMT
Yes Chuikov is strictly worse then Govorov but he's the 2nd best F2P allied artillery general and is a good pick if you don't have Zhukov Yes, but you would still want Govorov. They're not mutually exclusive but yes, you'll need Govorov. |
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Post by Port on Mar 17, 2021 14:09:46 GMT
Yes, but you would still want Govorov. They're not mutually exclusive but yes, you'll need Govorov. That is what I'm saying, Govorov should be pink because he will be part of a required replacement of Zhukov. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 17, 2021 14:10:32 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive but yes, you'll need Govorov. That is what I'm saying, Govorov should be pink because he will be part of a required replacement of Zhukov. I agree and Chuikov should be turquoise. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 17, 2021 14:10:56 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive but yes, you'll need Govorov. That is what I'm saying, Govorov should be pink because he will be part of a required replacement of Zhukov. Govorov is not required, yes he is strong, but not necessary. |
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Post by Port on Mar 17, 2021 14:11:03 GMT
That is what I'm saying, Govorov should be pink because he will be part of a required replacement of Zhukov. I agree and Chuikov should be turquoise. Agreed again. |
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