Hsueh Yueh
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Yo! It's Hsueh-Yueh here, formerly known as Ismet Inonu. On a hiatus right now.
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on May 6, 2021 19:52:01 GMT
Before the Suez, people had to go around the Cape of Good Hope or through Tierra del Fuego to reach Asia. I don't really think Napoleon could have disrupted British trade, as the only way to would be to gain total control of the Atlantic, which was impossible due to the Royal Navy.
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 11:10:28 GMT
The ships didnt pass. For example a merchant ship unloads its payload on suez and then it’s carried by horse carts to another ships waiting at Nile, Alexandria and Port Said. Egypt was a rich geography even during the days of the Roman Empire. Then supplies flow directly to Europe. During medieval ages a kilo of ginger worths a fortune since it comes from India and it was only available for the top1%. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 11:15:59 GMT
Before the Suez, people had to go around the Cape of Good Hope or through Tierra del Fuego to reach Asia. I don't really think Napoleon could have disrupted British trade, as the only way to would be to gain total control of the Atlantic, which was impossible due to the Royal Navy. Napoleons aim was not to disrupt british trade. His eastern expedition aimed to CONQUER Egypt, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Israel, Palestine, Pakistan and the entirety of India thus crushing the weak Brit army.( He badly wanted to avenge 7years war since france lost a ton of colony land to Britain. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 11:18:06 GMT
been able to take Acre [in 1799], I would have put on a turban, I would have made my soldiers wear big Turkish trousers, and I would have exposed them to battle only in case of extreme necessity. I would have made them into a Sacred Battalion—my Immortals. I would have finished the war against the Turks with Arabic, Greek, and Armenian troops. Instead of a battle in Moravia, I would have won a Battle of Issus, I would have made myself emperor of the East, and I would have returned to Paris by way of Constantinople.[5] Napoleon Bonaparte
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 11:21:32 GMT
The ships didnt pass. For example a merchant ship unloads its payload on suez and then it’s carried by horse carts to another ships waiting at Nile, Alexandria and Port Said. Egypt was a rich geography even during the days of the Roman Empire. Then supplies flow directly to Europe. During medieval ages a kilo of ginger worths a fortune since it comes from India and it was only available for the top1%. That would have been very difficult hence less used. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 11:23:08 GMT
Before the Suez, people had to go around the Cape of Good Hope or through Tierra del Fuego to reach Asia. I don't really think Napoleon could have disrupted British trade, as the only way to would be to gain total control of the Atlantic, which was impossible due to the Royal Navy. Napoleons aim was not to disrupt british trade. His eastern expedition aimed to CONQUER Egypt, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Israel, Palestine, Pakistan and the entirety of India thus crushing the weak Brit army.( He badly wanted to avenge 7years war since france lost a ton of colony land to Britain. Pretty ambitious plan though only serious threat would have been Ottomans. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 11:27:37 GMT
The ships didnt pass. For example a merchant ship unloads its payload on suez and then it’s carried by horse carts to another ships waiting at Nile, Alexandria and Port Said. Egypt was a rich geography even during the days of the Roman Empire. Then supplies flow directly to Europe. During medieval ages a kilo of ginger worths a fortune since it comes from India and it was only available for the top1%. That would have been very difficult hence less used. Mediterranean was a “busy highway” when romans conquered egypt and it preserved its status until turks invaded egypt and put heavy taxations. These taxations starved europe but luckily they managed to find the cape route denying turks the egypt route. Medierranean became busy after suez canal has been finally built. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 11:46:25 GMT
What if operation typhoon was successful and Germans took Moscow but most of the Important officials and leaders including Stalin escaped and went east, then what do you think will happen.
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 12:46:10 GMT
What if operation typhoon was successful and Germans took Moscow but most of the Important officials and leaders including Stalin escaped and went west, then what do you think will happen. Well this is a quite popular alternate history question and I have an idea of what would have happened. First of all you must understand the fact that Moscov in 1812 dec. was nothing compared to 1941 dec. First of all Moscow was the primary target of Stalins five year plan( the other two was Leningrad and Stalingrad) and it was the capital of the USSR. Moreover moscow had a population of 4.5 million and included massive industrial zones but the most important thing it had was the main railway junction. The link below shows the main railways of USSR(1946-1950) so it will give an idea of the railways of USSR. To come to your question, can germans win if they had taken Moscow, well no, USSR would have kept its indusrial capacity due to their outstanding “evacuation skills” and experiences most of the factories could have been easily transported to Urals quite easily since german airforce had completely lost its capabilities due to extreme cold in the winter of 1941.( so factories and trains are safe) For population, the womens and children would have fled but the men had fought so 1-2 million population would have perished in combat as we assume germans taking moscow. For morale issues I dont think soviet people would have lost morale since they already lost massive territories and cities( riga kiev kharkiv kursk minsk smolensk sevastopol odessa and leningrad under siege with only way to supply is the frozen ladoga lake.) So to summarize, moscow would have been a major blow for soviets and a source of morale for the combined fascist crusaders but dont forget the Red Army launched a blody offensive to push germans far from Moscow(1941-1942 counteroffensives) so it is viable to think that moscow can be liberated in 1942 with a fresh soviet far east army coming to aid. images.app.goo.gl/Ha4j3DWRNaQ1nedF7 |
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Hsueh Yueh
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Yo! It's Hsueh-Yueh here, formerly known as Ismet Inonu. On a hiatus right now.
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on May 7, 2021 12:59:06 GMT
It wasn't a ''busy highway''.
Actually, most Europeans were afraid of sailing into the south Mediterranean due to the Barbary pirates.
It wasn't until the Bombardment of Algiers that it really started to be a possibility.
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 13:05:06 GMT
It wasn't a ''busy highway''. Actually, most Europeans were afraid of sailing into the south Mediterranean due to the Barbary pirates. It wasn't until the Bombardment of Algiers that it really started to be a possibility. Then how do you think Europe had acces to certain food materials? Silk road from china and the med route from india were the two main roads that supplied europe. Spice trade man! |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 13:08:43 GMT
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Hsueh Yueh
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Yo! It's Hsueh-Yueh here, formerly known as Ismet Inonu. On a hiatus right now.
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on May 7, 2021 13:11:27 GMT
Silk road actually ended a long time ago. Like in 1453, the Ottomans boycotted trade with China, and that basically ended it.
Now Europeans had to go through the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa in order to reach India.
They couldn't use the Suez because of the Barbary Pirates.
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 7, 2021 13:16:41 GMT
It wasn't a ''busy highway''. Actually, most Europeans were afraid of sailing into the south Mediterranean due to the Barbary pirates. It wasn't until the of Algiers that it really started to be a possibility. Barbary pirates were mainly ottoman guided pirates and thats what I said too. When turks invaded egypt and overthrowed the mamluk government mediterranean became less used and thats shown as one of the reasons why Italy didnt unite under a unitarian government. Age of discovery severely damaged turks heavy tax and pirate system and italians trade( genoa and venice for example had a swift downfall) |
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Hsueh Yueh
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Yo! It's Hsueh-Yueh here, formerly known as Ismet Inonu. On a hiatus right now.
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on May 7, 2021 14:12:44 GMT
Yeah, and the age of discovery was when they started using the cape of good hope?
So, no, they couldn't and they didn't use the Suez before the canal opened.
Nobody even thought of that idea.
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