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Post by Pietro Badoglio on May 14, 2021 7:42:38 GMT
2. So my point was correct. 3. Congress barely existed in Princely states. 2. Your point that Quit India movement was started in 1940's was true 3. If they barely exsisted, how did they fear the Congress? 2. I meant that my point about Gandhi's demands before 1922 was correct. |
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Post by John Marston on May 14, 2021 7:44:55 GMT
2. Your point that Quit India movement was started in 1940's was true 3. If they barely exsisted, how did they fear the Congress? 2. I meant that my point about Gandhi's demands before 1922 was correct. I don't have any solid evidence to back it, but I still say no |
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Post by John Marston on May 14, 2021 7:46:55 GMT
Also, there were religious conflicts in India. Actually Boers were anti-British and a Boer government in South Africa left the commonwealth, to reaction to it, Natal state threatened to secede. Nazis were extremely unpopular among Yugoslavs except Croats. Soviet partisans were organised and even better equipped than the Germans sometimes. I actually tried to mean that Most of the population British Empire controlled was extremely poor(just like nowadays) and due to this there was a obedience culture but this was not the case in USSR, Poland and Yugoslavia. Big majority of the people liked their government more than Nazis and they did not lived in miserable conditions like Africa and India. When Nazis attacked they realized the value of their governemnt more and Nazis were forced to divert a real Panzer Division to supress partisans. This is no joke, a Panzer division! Also they caused massive damages in communication and supply lines too. Yeah I did read about this in Siege of Leningrad book. The people hated the USSR government. But they hated the Nazis even more, especially as they were nearing to Moscow. |
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Post by Pietro Badoglio on May 14, 2021 7:48:02 GMT
2. I meant that my point about Gandhi's demands before 1922 was correct. I don't have any solid evidence to back it, but I still say no You know two terms that were used by Gandhi. "Swaraj" and "Purna Swaraj". Swaraj was about Dominion status but remaining Empire. Purna Swaraj was about completely seceding from the empire. |
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Post by Pietro Badoglio on May 14, 2021 7:50:16 GMT
I actually tried to mean that Most of the population British Empire controlled was extremely poor(just like nowadays) and due to this there was a obedience culture but this was not the case in USSR, Poland and Yugoslavia. Big majority of the people liked their government more than Nazis and they did not lived in miserable conditions like Africa and India. When Nazis attacked they realized the value of their governemnt more and Nazis were forced to divert a real Panzer Division to supress partisans. This is no joke, a Panzer division! Also they caused massive damages in communication and supply lines too. Yeah I did read about this in Siege of Leningrad book. The people hated the USSR government. But they hated the Nazis even more, especially as they were nearing to Moscow. That is not completely true. |
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Post by John Marston on May 14, 2021 7:50:29 GMT
I don't have any solid evidence to back it, but I still say no You know two terms that were used by Gandhi. "Swaraj" and "Purna Swaraj". Swaraj was about Dominion status but remaining Empire. Purna Swaraj was about completely seceding from the empire. He actually never used it. Swaraj was used by Bal Gangadhar Tilak in the famous slogan. Purna Swaraj was the motto of Quit India Movement. |
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Post by John Marston on May 14, 2021 7:51:21 GMT
Yeah I did read about this in Siege of Leningrad book. The people hated the USSR government. But they hated the Nazis even more, especially as they were nearing to Moscow. That is not completely true. So they loved it?  Just read that book and you will get it |
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Post by Pietro Badoglio on May 14, 2021 7:51:55 GMT
You know two terms that were used by Gandhi. "Swaraj" and "Purna Swaraj". Swaraj was about Dominion status but remaining Empire. Purna Swaraj was about completely seceding from the empire. He actually never used it. Swaraj was used by Bal Gangadhar Tilak in the famous slogan. Purna Swaraj was the motto of Quit India Movement. He did use probably. Congress used it during protest before 1922. |
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Post by Pietro Badoglio on May 14, 2021 7:53:31 GMT
"People hated USSR government."That is not completely true. So they loved it? Just read that book and you will get it By that logic, most people hate their government all over the world. USSR was popular among workers, not so much among others. |
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Post by John Marston on May 14, 2021 7:55:45 GMT
He actually never used it. Swaraj was used by Bal Gangadhar Tilak in the famous slogan. Purna Swaraj was the motto of Quit India Movement. He did use probably. Congress used it during protest before 1922. Swaraj in general means independence. They probably changed it after the Round table discussions |
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Post by Pietro Badoglio on May 14, 2021 7:57:05 GMT
He did use probably. Congress used it during protest before 1922. Swaraj in general means independence. They probably changed it after the Round table discussions OK, but I had read it meant Self Rule |
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Post by John Marston on May 14, 2021 7:59:23 GMT
Swaraj in general means independence. They probably changed it after the Round table discussions OK, but I had read it meant Self Rule So isn't self rule Independence? |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 14, 2021 8:06:28 GMT
I actually tried to mean that Most of the population British Empire controlled was extremely poor(just like nowadays) and due to this there was a obedience culture but this was not the case in USSR, Poland and Yugoslavia. Big majority of the people liked their government more than Nazis and they did not lived in miserable conditions like Africa and India. When Nazis attacked they realized the value of their governemnt more and Nazis were forced to divert a real Panzer Division to supress partisans. This is no joke, a Panzer division! Also they caused massive damages in communication and supply lines too. Yeah I did read about this in Siege of Leningrad book. The people hated the USSR government. But they hated the Nazis even more, especially as they were nearing to Moscow. Soviet people hating the USSR government?? Then why there were millions of people mourning on death of Stalin, I mean there are video records and photos so it is not a false claim. When you compare Russian Tsardom with USSR then you will easily see that USSR was more rich. You can compare modern day Russia with USSR too, USSR has a clear edge on basically everything. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 14, 2021 8:10:38 GMT
At start people hated the government but once its policies began improving their lifestyle, they began Not hating them. After ww2 especially on kruschev-brezhnev era Soviet people lived in welfare, ofc ım not teling you that life was great in ww2. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on May 14, 2021 10:16:00 GMT
After ww2 especially on kruschev-brezhnev era Soviet people lived in welfare, ofc ım not teling you that life was not great in ww2. Stalin's ruthless industrialisation was the base of Soviet victory against Germany and later growth. Stalin's industrialisation caused huge infrastructure development East of Ural which allowed them to transfer their arms factories East because infrastructure was already present in East. Also Soviet Union was not seen as a extension of Russia as Stalin (a Georgian) and Khrushchev (a Ukrainian) became General Secretary. yep, the bolshevik cadres of those days had the correct assumption of that a war was on the horizon and the only way to survive was to launch massive five-year plans. Five year plans were so succesful that unindustrialized poor USSR managed to surpass England and Germany which had their Industrial revolution centuries ago. I dont see USSR as an extension of Russia today, Russian Tsardom was a multhi-ethnic giant empire and USSR ruled most of the former territories. Ideology was totaly different and races were not a debate topic in USSR. |
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Just read that book and you will get it
