Hsueh Yueh
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on May 17, 2021 17:26:34 GMT
 An alternate scenario of WW1. Italy keeps it's promise to Germany and joins the Central Powers, wanting to ''liberate'' Corisca, Savoy, Nice, and Malta. Sweden is convinced to join the Central Powers to regain Finland. (Their government was also very pro-German) USA joins after intense campaigning from German-Americans, American irredentism, and Germany deciding not to target American ships. Spain wants to annex Portugal and have all of Morocco plus some other colonies in Africa. (it took me a long time to make this map because I had to put in all the colonies and stuff) |
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Hsueh Yueh
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on May 17, 2021 17:39:37 GMT
How I think this scenario is going to play out:
1. Germany, Italy, and Spain easily crush France, who cannot handle 3 fronts.
2. US invades Canada, soon taking all of it over. (Royal Navy distracted in Europe)
3. UK keeps Central Powers from landing in England because of the Royal Navy.
4. UK lands troops in Portugal, Portugal manages to fight off Central Powers.
5. Russia suffers devastating losses against Sweden, Austria-Hungary, the Ottomans, and Germany, forced to sign Brest-Litovsk. (Lenin sent in by Germans)
6. Japan easily seizes German colonies and the American-controlled Philippines, but is soon forced into a stalemate with the newly-arrived American navy.
7. Suez canal seized by combined Austrian, German, Ottoman, and Italian force. Remaining French colonies quickly seized after, British holdings in Arabia forced to surrender.
8. German colonies in Africa are attacked by Portuguese, French remnants, and British forces, but the American navy, returning from Canada, manages to stop them from collapsing.
9. India is invaded by Italian-Ottoman-German force, stalemate quickly appears.
10. Royal Navy defeated, British Isles invaded by Germans.
11. Lenin quickly wins Russian Civil war (because the allies arent supporting the whites (they cant)), Soviets invade Manchuria and Sakhalin.
12. Americans defeat Japanese navy, retake Philippines and quickly land troops in French Indochina, China, and Japan.
13. Central powers convince ethnic minorities to revolt in remaning Allied colonies.
14. Japan and China surrender, Australia and New Zealand invaded by Americans/Germans, Britain surrenders.
(Romania and Serbia and Greece get game-ended by the Austrians, Ottomans, Bulgarians, and Italians early on.)
Ottomans and Austrians get to live longer, but collapse within 10 years after the end of the war.
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Post by Francisco Franco on May 25, 2021 14:24:32 GMT
What if Adolf Hitler was never born?
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Post by Francisco Franco on May 25, 2021 14:32:54 GMT
How I think this scenario is going to play out: 1. Germany, Italy, and Spain easily crush France, who cannot handle 3 fronts. 2. US invades Canada, soon taking all of it over. (Royal Navy distracted in Europe) 3. UK keeps Central Powers from landing in England because of the Royal Navy. 4. UK lands troops in Portugal, Portugal manages to fight off Central Powers. 5. Russia suffers devastating losses against Sweden, Austria-Hungary, the Ottomans, and Germany, forced to sign Brest-Litovsk. (Lenin sent in by Germans) 6. Japan easily seizes German colonies and the American-controlled Philippines, but is soon forced into a stalemate with the newly-arrived American navy. 7. Suez canal seized by combined Austrian, German, Ottoman, and Italian force. Remaining French colonies quickly seized after, British holdings in Arabia forced to surrender. 8. German colonies in Africa are attacked by Portuguese, French remnants, and British forces, but the American navy, returning from Canada, manages to stop them from collapsing. 9. India is invaded by Italian-Ottoman-German force, stalemate quickly appears. 10. Royal Navy defeated, British Isles invaded by Germans. 11. Lenin quickly wins Russian Civil war (because the allies arent supporting the whites (they cant)), Soviets invade Manchuria and Sakhalin. 12. Americans defeat Japanese navy, retake Philippines and quickly land troops in French Indochina, China, and Japan. 13. Central powers convince ethnic minorities to revolt in remaning Allied colonies. 14. Japan and China surrender, Australia and New Zealand invaded by Americans/Germans, Britain surrenders. (Romania and Serbia and Greece get game-ended by the Austrians, Ottomans, Bulgarians, and Italians early on.) Ottomans and Austrians get to live longer, but collapse within 10 years after the end of the war. 1. Don't forget the Belgians, they fought bravely and prevented a German breakthrough along the coast of English Channel. France was capable of attacking Spain while holding of Germans, as of Italians, even Austro-Hungarians held them off despite getting most of their army badly defeated by the Russians and Serbians doing the same just on smaller scale , French navy was more powerful than Italian. 2. I more fear about USA getting invaded by Canada. 8. How can American navy stop fall of German East Africa? 9. RIP logistics 10. Who defeated Royal navy? 13. How will you make the British revolt against themselves? 14. Romania and Greece will not join entente in that situation |
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Hsueh Yueh
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on May 25, 2021 19:13:40 GMT
France could barely have held 1 front against the onslaught of Germans. Holding 3 would be impossible, if not out of the question.
The Belgians would have collapsed after France did, if they even had held out.
The American navy was huge. Furthermore, the Germans would have been able to ship fresh troops to East Africa due to the collapse of France. Even if this didn't happen, East Africa would have been retaken anyway later.
The Indians would revolt if given the chance. The Sepoy Mutiny already showed that the Indians disliked British rule. The Germans had no interest in India anyway, so they'd probably let it free. With the British sending even more of their fathers, brothers, and sons to die in the trenches of Europe and the heat of Africa, it'd probably not be too popular and once the Indians received news of German victories, they'd revolt.
The Royal Navy would have been tired out by the German navy, and once the Americans were freed up, their navy too.
This is just saying that all the WW1 contenders will join immediately in 1914, with a few other countries that were neutral in our timeline or picked other sides.
Anyway, I'll be gone for a week. This'll be my last post for now.
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Post by Francisco Franco on May 26, 2021 1:51:25 GMT
France could barely have held 1 front against the onslaught of Germans. Holding 3 would be impossible, if not out of the question. The Belgians would have collapsed after France did, if they even had held out. The American navy was huge. Furthermore, the Germans would have been able to ship fresh troops to East Africa due to the collapse of France. Even if this didn't happen, East Africa would have been retaken anyway later. The Indians would revolt if given the chance. The Sepoy Mutiny already showed that the Indians disliked British rule. The Germans had no interest in India anyway, so they'd probably let it free. With the British sending even more of their fathers, brothers, and sons to die in the trenches of Europe and the heat of Africa, it'd probably not be too popular and once the Indians received news of German victories, they'd revolt. The Royal Navy would have been tired out by the German navy, and once the Americans were freed up, their navy too. This is just saying that all the WW1 contenders will join immediately in 1914, with a few other countries that were neutral in our timeline or picked other sides. Anyway, I'll be gone for a week. This'll be my last post for now. German army was outnumbered in 1914 during Battle of marne and French held out for 4 years, other two fronts are easier to defend due to alps on Italian front and awful situation of Spainish army. American navy was no match to French or even Japanese, most of the time in the ww1 Royal Navy( don't underestimate them, they have capability to defeat French and German navies combined) just sat doing Blockade. US had barely any army probably weaker than Mexico and they took at least 1 whole year to just raise an army, Canadians did that in months. Revolt in India is out of question, they provided huge amounts of troops to British war effort voluntarily(for better salaries, etc) |
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Hsueh Yueh
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Post by Hsueh Yueh on Jun 6, 2021 23:04:04 GMT
Francisco Franco , That was only during ONE battle. Plus, France would have had to divert troops to the south to protect against the Italians/Spanish. The American navy was quite large at the time, not as large as the Royal Navy, but combined with the Kriegsmarine and the Regia Marina, they could beat them. Remember that the Royal Navy would be split apart, fighting on multiple fronts of the war, so it would be pretty easy for those combined navies to beat them. The Americans could easily lift the North Sea blockade, by forcing the brits to divert ships. (Also remember that the germans have U-Boats) The Swedes are also on the Central Powers, no? So, the brits would have to divert them there as well. Because the US is huge, and the atlantic ocean is big, and during that time a journey took a month. The AEF (US force in WW1) was nothing compared to the full amount of men they could mobilize. There were quite a few independence activists, like Rash Behari Bose. There was also a plot to start a mutiny, called the ''Ghadar Mutiny''. They could have easily incited the population to revolt against the Brits, who were never popular in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 1:48:24 GMT
There were quite a few independence activists, like Rash Behari Bose. There was also a plot to start a mutiny, called the ''Ghadar Mutiny''. They could have easily incited the population to revolt against the Brits, who were never popular in the first place. Who? Ghadar Mutiny failed even before it could start. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 2:12:13 GMT
Francisco Franco , That was only during ONE battle. Plus, France would have had to divert troops to the south to protect against the Italians/Spanish. The American navy was quite large at the time, not as large as the Royal Navy, but combined with the Kriegsmarine. Spainish army was a joke and Italians weren't much better. France can just raise up more men (they have reserves) and defend. Also, battle of Marne was not one battle. |
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Post by zink on Jun 7, 2021 2:31:16 GMT
How I think this scenario is going to play out: 1. Germany, Italy, and Spain easily crush France, who cannot handle 3 fronts. 2. US invades Canada, soon taking all of it over. (Royal Navy distracted in Europe) 3. UK keeps Central Powers from landing in England because of the Royal Navy. 4. UK lands troops in Portugal, Portugal manages to fight off Central Powers. 5. Russia suffers devastating losses against Sweden, Austria-Hungary, the Ottomans, and Germany, forced to sign Brest-Litovsk. (Lenin sent in by Germans) 6. Japan easily seizes German colonies and the American-controlled Philippines, but is soon forced into a stalemate with the newly-arrived American navy. 7. Suez canal seized by combined Austrian, German, Ottoman, and Italian force. Remaining French colonies quickly seized after, British holdings in Arabia forced to surrender. 8. German colonies in Africa are attacked by Portuguese, French remnants, and British forces, but the American navy, returning from Canada, manages to stop them from collapsing. 9. India is invaded by Italian-Ottoman-German force, stalemate quickly appears. 10. Royal Navy defeated, British Isles invaded by Germans. 11. Lenin quickly wins Russian Civil war (because the allies arent supporting the whites (they cant)), Soviets invade Manchuria and Sakhalin. 12. Americans defeat Japanese navy, retake Philippines and quickly land troops in French Indochina, China, and Japan. 13. Central powers convince ethnic minorities to revolt in remaning Allied colonies. 14. Japan and China surrender, Australia and New Zealand invaded by Americans/Germans, Britain surrenders. (Romania and Serbia and Greece get game-ended by the Austrians, Ottomans, Bulgarians, and Italians early on.) Ottomans and Austrians get to live longer, but collapse within 10 years after the end of the war. 1. Don't forget the Belgians, they fought bravely and prevented a German breakthrough along the coast of English Channel. France was capable of attacking Spain while holding of Germans, as of Italians, even Austro-Hungarians held them off despite getting most of their army badly defeated by the Russians and Serbians doing the same just on smaller scale , French navy was more powerful than Italian. 2. I more fear about USA getting invaded by Canada. 8. How can American navy stop fall of German East Africa? 9. RIP logistics 10. Who defeated Royal navy? 13. How will you make the British revolt against themselves? 14. Romania and Greece will not join entente in that situation 2. You're joking, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 2:53:32 GMT
1. Don't forget the Belgians, they fought bravely and prevented a German breakthrough along the coast of English Channel. France was capable of attacking Spain while holding of Germans, as of Italians, even Austro-Hungarians held them off despite getting most of their army badly defeated by the Russians and Serbians doing the same just on smaller scale , French navy was more powerful than Italian. 2. I more fear about USA getting invaded by Canada. 8. How can American navy stop fall of German East Africa? 9. RIP logistics 10. Who defeated Royal navy? 13. How will you make the British revolt against themselves? 14. Romania and Greece will not join entente in that situation 2. You're joking, right?
The statement is reasonable considering 1814 and the way Canadians fought in ww1. |
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Post by zink on Jun 7, 2021 3:05:20 GMT
The statement is reasonable considering 1814 and the way Canadians fought in ww1. Canada could put up a good defense, but offense? Also this is 100 years later. |
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Post by zink on Jun 7, 2021 3:16:23 GMT
France could barely have held 1 front against the onslaught of Germans. Holding 3 would be impossible, if not out of the question. The Belgians would have collapsed after France did, if they even had held out. The American navy was huge. Furthermore, the Germans would have been able to ship fresh troops to East Africa due to the collapse of France. Even if this didn't happen, East Africa would have been retaken anyway later. The Indians would revolt if given the chance. The Sepoy Mutiny already showed that the Indians disliked British rule. The Germans had no interest in India anyway, so they'd probably let it free. With the British sending even more of their fathers, brothers, and sons to die in the trenches of Europe and the heat of Africa, it'd probably not be too popular and once the Indians received news of German victories, they'd revolt. The Royal Navy would have been tired out by the German navy, and once the Americans were freed up, their navy too. This is just saying that all the WW1 contenders will join immediately in 1914, with a few other countries that were neutral in our timeline or picked other sides. Anyway, I'll be gone for a week. This'll be my last post for now. German army was outnumbered in 1914 during Battle of marne and French held out for 4 years, other two fronts are easier to defend due to alps on Italian front and awful situation of Spainish army. American navy was no match to French or even Japanese, most of the time in the ww1 Royal Navy( don't underestimate them, they have capability to defeat French and German navies combined) just sat doing Blockade. US had barely any army probably weaker than Mexico and they took at least 1 whole year to just raise an army, Canadians did that in months. Revolt in India is out of question, they provided huge amounts of troops to British war effort voluntarily(for better salaries, etc) | American navy was no match to French or even Japanese, most of the time in the ww1 Royal Navy( don't underestimate them, they have capability to defeat French and German navies combined) just sat doing Blockade. Yeah no dawg, combined? | US had barely any army probably weaker than Mexico and they took at least 1 whole year to just raise an army, Canadians did that in months. Wow, did I really just read that? The U.S. could bully Mexico, and they did. The U.S. raised way more soldiers (obviously it took longer) and the difference in industry. Assuming things like that is a bad practice. | Revolt in India is out of question, they provided huge amounts of troops to British war effort voluntarily(for better salaries, etc) No, it's really not. They literally saw them as "less", there's a reason the title "Emperor or Empress" of India was created. Yes they did it voluntarily but it doesn't mean they liked it or were treated well. Just because they provided lots of troops doesn't mean the idea of foreign rule was liked. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 3:18:27 GMT
German army was outnumbered in 1914 during Battle of marne and French held out for 4 years, other two fronts are easier to defend due to alps on Italian front and awful situation of Spainish army. American navy was no match to French or even Japanese, most of the time in the ww1 Royal Navy( don't underestimate them, they have capability to defeat French and German navies combined) just sat doing Blockade. US had barely any army probably weaker than Mexico and they took at least 1 whole year to just raise an army, Canadians did that in months. Revolt in India is out of question, they provided huge amounts of troops to British war effort voluntarily(for better salaries, etc) | American navy was no match to French or even Japanese, most of the time in the ww1 Royal Navy( don't underestimate them, they have capability to defeat French and German navies combined) just sat doing Blockade. Yeah no dawg, combined? | US had barely any army probably weaker than Mexico and they took at least 1 whole year to just raise an army, Canadians did that in months. Wow, did I really just read that? The U.S. could bully Mexico, and they did. The U.S. raised way more soldiers (obviously it took longer) and the difference in industry. Assuming things like that is a bad practice. | Revolt in India is out of question, they provided huge amounts of troops to British war effort voluntarily(for better salaries, etc) No, it's really not. They literally saw them as "less", there's a reason the title "Emperor or Empress" of India was created. Yes they did it voluntarily but it doesn't mean they liked it or were treated well. Just because they provided lots of troops doesn't mean the idea of foreign rule was liked. That doesn't mean foreign rule was hated. Most people in India had not seen a single Britisher and for them only representative of government was police which was predominantly Indian. That is the reason it took Mahatma Gandhi and INC more than 25 years to force the British to agree to give independence. Also, will people from English origins and Anglophiles in USA support the war effort against Britain? |
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Jun 7, 2021 3:18:53 GMT
What if Adolf Hitler was never born? Then Nazi Germany would not exist (i think). and WW2 would never start. And Weimar Germany would still exist i think |
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