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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 14:54:30 GMT
You believe in oversimplified too much. I didnt learn that from Oversimplified. The British bombed Berlin, so Hitler told Goering to bomb civilian targets the rest of the war. I don't even remember OVersimplified saying that. Hitler ordered that not because of that raid, he did that do break the British morale after seeing the effect of Bombing on Berlin has a huge psychological effects on people. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Apr 4, 2021 15:28:46 GMT
I didnt learn that from Oversimplified. The British bombed Berlin, so Hitler told Goering to bomb civilian targets the rest of the war. I don't even remember OVersimplified saying that. Hitler ordered that not because of that raid, he did that do break the British morale after seeing the effect of Bombing on Berlin has a huge psychological effects on people. Oh, OK. Well, it got the RAF back on their feet. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Apr 4, 2021 15:29:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 17:54:39 GMT
Hitler ordered that not because of that raid, he did that do break the British morale after seeing the effect of Bombing on Berlin has a huge psychological effects on people. Oh, OK. Well, it got the RAF back on their feet. It could have been difficult even if luftwaffe attacked RAF bases only because of Rate of replacement of planes being high for Britain but not impossible and also the British pilots in most cases get saved while Germans either died or became POWs. But the attack on civilian targets has reduced whatever damage it was doing to RAF. Short range of German Fighters means that German Bombers have to go into British territory when attacking farther targets unescorted which made them vulnerable to British Fighters. If Germany managed to defeat RAF decisively then they can destroy Royal Navy in English Channel using Luftwaffe ( naval ships were very vulnerable to Airforce as seen during Taranto and Pearl Harbour). This will make Engpish Channel 'German Channel' allowing Heer to show British that the their whale has been defeated and no one can save them from German Elephant. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Apr 4, 2021 18:00:42 GMT
It could have been difficult even if luftwaffe attacked RAF bases only because of Rate of replacement of planes being high for Britain but not impossible and also the British pilots in most cases get saved while Germans either died or became POWs. But the attack on civilian targets has reduced whatever damage it was doing to RAF. Short range of German Fighters means that German Bombers have to go into British territory when attacking farther targets unescorted which made them vulnerable to British Fighters. If Germany managed to defeat RAF decisively then they can destroy Royal Navy in English Channel using Luftwaffe ( naval ships were very vulnerable to Airforce as seen during Taranto and Pearl Harbour). This will make Engpish Channel 'German Channel' allowing Heer to show British that the their whale has been defeated and no one can save them from German Elephant. nice wording :). The landings will still be hell though. The nearest beach, Dover, has sheer white cliffs and a castle that is used as a listening and fighter command outpost, while the rest of the coast is dotted by large ports. Go west of Dover, and you get Brighton. West of Brighton, Hastings. West Of Hastings, Pevensey, and so on, all the way to Torbay. The Allies landed on a beach in the middle of nohwhere after their lesson at Dieppe. And even if the Luftwaffe ruled the sky, it would still not stop the British determination. It would take much more than Army Group North, Centre, And South combined to crack the British. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 18:03:41 GMT
It could have been difficult even if luftwaffe attacked RAF bases only because of Rate of replacement of planes being high for Britain but not impossible and also the British pilots in most cases get saved while Germans either died or became POWs. But the attack on civilian targets has reduced whatever damage it was doing to RAF. Short range of German Fighters means that German Bombers have to go into British territory when attacking farther targets unescorted which made them vulnerable to British Fighters. If Germany managed to defeat RAF decisively then they can destroy Royal Navy in English Channel using Luftwaffe ( naval ships were very vulnerable to Airforce as seen during Taranto and Pearl Harbour). This will make Engpish Channel 'German Channel' allowing Heer to show British that the their whale has been defeated and no one can save them from German Elephant. nice wording  . The landings will still be hell though. The nearest beach, Dover, has sheer white cliffs and a castle that is used as a listening and fighter command outpost, while the rest of the coast is dotted by large ports. Go west of Dover, and you get Brighton. West of Brighton, Hastings. West Of Hastings, Pevensey, and so on, all the way to Torbay. The Allies landed on a beach in the middle of nohwhere after their lesson at Dieppe. And even if the Luftwaffe ruled the sky, it would still not stop the British determination. It would take much more than Army Group North, Centre, And South combined to crack the British. They will fight bravely if the landing ever happens but 200,000 will barely stand a chance against Luftwaffe, Heer and Kriegsmarine (basically whole Wehrmacht). |
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Post by STILETT0 on Apr 4, 2021 18:10:33 GMT
nice wording :). The landings will still be hell though. The nearest beach, Dover, has sheer white cliffs and a castle that is used as a listening and fighter command outpost, while the rest of the coast is dotted by large ports. Go west of Dover, and you get Brighton. West of Brighton, Hastings. West Of Hastings, Pevensey, and so on, all the way to Torbay. The Allies landed on a beach in the middle of nohwhere after their lesson at Dieppe. And even if the Luftwaffe ruled the sky, it would still not stop the British determination. It would take much more than Army Group North, Centre, And South combined to crack the British. They will fight bravely if the landing ever happens but 200,000 will barely stand a chance against Luftwaffe, Heer and Kriegsmarine (basically whole Wehrmacht). There's also The USA. They know that if Britain falls, they're pretty much screwed strategically. There's bound to be some interference on that note. FDR's plan was to eventually join the war anyway. He knew it was inevitable, it's just that the Japanese started him early, and he needed the people on his side. Yes, 200,000 men is a lot, but look at Saipan, or Guam. The USA outnumbered them greatly, they were fighting the most elite fighting force the Americans have to offer, and they lost 30,000 men to around 16,000 men on a tiny island in the Pacific. Remember, the Germans got ride of all their good scientists, so they can't nuke either. It would be better to starve the Brits into submission. Defeat Mountbatten's navy, and make a Leningrad out of the entire island. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 18:14:42 GMT
They will fight bravely if the landing ever happens but 200,000 will barely stand a chance against Luftwaffe, Heer and Kriegsmarine (basically whole Wehrmacht). There's also The USA. They know that if Britain falls, they're pretty much screwed strategically. There's bound to be some interference on that note. FDR's plan was to eventually join the war anyway. He knew it was inevitable, it's just that the Japanese started him early, and he needed the people on his side. Yes, 200,000 men is a lot, but look at Saipan, or Guam. The USA outnumbered them greatly, they were fighting the most elite fighting force the Americans have to offer, and they lost 30,000 men to around 16,000 men on a tiny island in the Pacific. Remember, the Germans got ride of all their good scientists, so they can't nuke either. It would be better to starve the Brits into submission. Defeat Mountbatten's navy, and make a Leningrad out of the entire island. Not much against a million Germans. Island case is because of resistance by Japanese and area that is needed to defend is way larger. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 18:18:16 GMT
They will fight bravely if the landing ever happens but 200,000 will barely stand a chance against Luftwaffe, Heer and Kriegsmarine (basically whole Wehrmacht). There's also The USA. They know that if Britain falls, they're pretty much screwed strategically. There's bound to be some interference on that note. FDR's plan was to eventually join the war anyway. He knew it was inevitable, it's just that the Japanese started him early, and he needed the people on his side. Yes, 200,000 men is a lot, but look at Saipan, or Guam. The USA outnumbered them greatly, they were fighting the most elite fighting force the Americans have to offer, and they lost 30,000 men to around 16,000 men on a tiny island in the Pacific. Remember, the Germans got ride of all their good scientists, so they can't nuke either. It would be better to starve the Brits into submission. Defeat Mountbatten's navy, and make a Leningrad out of the entire island. USA will have no chance to invade Europe if Germans capture Iceland. Neither would Japanese need to attack USA in that case if they could get those resources from Britain. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 14:22:29 GMT
Ok, Here's a question for everyone...
How does the ACW play out if Lee defeats Meade at Gettysburg and continues on? Does the Union surrender? Or does it have no effect?
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 6, 2021 15:02:21 GMT
Ok, Here's a question for everyone... How does the ACW play out if Lee defeats Meade at Gettysburg and continues on? Does the Union surrender? Or does it have no effect? The Union Surrenders after two years, when McClellan is elected Prez. Gettysburg is a very important location, halfway between Philadelphia and Washington. If the Union Force tries to stop the Confederates, they just march the other way. |
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Post by Rodolfo Graziani on Apr 7, 2021 12:38:56 GMT
How can the South win the ACW?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 12:47:21 GMT
How can the South win the ACW? If Lee's invasion of Washington becomes successful and Britain intervenes. |
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Post by Rodolfo Graziani on Apr 7, 2021 12:49:37 GMT
If the confederacy did end up surviving until WW1/WW2, what do you think would have happened? Would they join the Axis, the Allies, or remain neutral?
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Post by STILETT0 on Apr 7, 2021 14:39:07 GMT
If the confederacy did end up surviving until WW1/WW2, what do you think would have happened? Would they join the Axis, the Allies, or remain neutral? The Allies, if Britain helped them. Neutral, if they didn't |
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. The landings will still be hell though. The nearest beach, Dover, has sheer white cliffs and a castle that is used as a listening and fighter command outpost, while the rest of the coast is dotted by large ports. Go west of Dover, and you get Brighton. West of Brighton, Hastings. West Of Hastings, Pevensey, and so on, all the way to Torbay. The Allies landed on a beach in the middle of nohwhere after their lesson at Dieppe. And even if the Luftwaffe ruled the sky, it would still not stop the British determination. It would take much more than Army Group North, Centre, And South combined to crack the British. 
