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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Mar 30, 2021 2:12:33 GMT
Grigory Kulik, hey Monty and Nammy (nagumo) are pretty good, I know they're not the best but they deserve better than "don't buy"
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Post by stoic on Mar 30, 2021 2:28:44 GMT
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Mar 30, 2021 3:51:03 GMT
Grigory Kulik, hey Monty and Nammy (nagumo) are pretty good, I know they're not the best but they deserve better than "don't buy" For them, it's probably because there are more relevant / more specialised gens to hire from in spite of their utility. Eg. Dönitz VS Nagumo. For navy, you don't need a navy gen so far. Ozawa and Cunningham (plus Riccardi for a perfect Coral Sea clear) are enough. |
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Mar 30, 2021 3:53:50 GMT
Grigory Kulik , hey Monty and Nammy (nagumo) are pretty good, I know they're not the best but they deserve better than "don't buy" For them, it's probably because there are more relevant / more specialised gens to hire from in spite of their utility. Eg. Dönitz VS Nagumo. For navy, you don't need a navy gen so far. Ozawa and Cunningham (plus Riccardi for a perfect Coral Sea clear) are enough. I agree, Donitz vs Nagumo and Roko vs Monty in both the first ones win but I wouldn't decribe either MOnty or Nammy as bad or a "not to purchase" |
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Post by Grigory Kulik on Mar 30, 2021 6:56:57 GMT
Don Quixote de la Mancha, I meant that they are bad purchases for a f2p player. Nagumo is good, but new players might fall into the trap of buying him and later regretting it. There are not enough medals to be earned in game that warrants a f2p player buying Nagumo when the free navy gens are decent and Donitz exists.
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Post by stoic on Mar 30, 2021 7:14:48 GMT
I actually agree... Nagumo is really a tempting option but exactly because of that it is not the best decision possible to make. Of course, the most optimal way is to buy both. But:
1. Our resources are limited.
2. Most likely we simply don't really need 2 expensive axis Admirals.
So, since we have to choose, and Doenitz's aura is simply too good in many circumstances to miss it, the other option (namely Nagumo) is an inferior one. So it is logical that we don't consider Doenitz and Nagumo to be equals, even though taken in isolation Nagumo isn't bad at all...
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Post by Amazing on Mar 30, 2021 7:20:40 GMT
@ Grigory Kulik, Might be also helpful to list how far you are in the game so people knowing what kind of experience you are basing your guide on. I got Nagumo and have perfect cleared the game so he is not unplayable with but clearly Donitz is the better choice. I made a mistake. I think this board has very split opinions on Monty vs Roko vs Vatutin on the heavy and there are at least 3 threads which have gotten derailed because of this debate so I will leave that alone. Personally I took Vatutin. Also I think I'm the only one on this board who has perfect cleared this game without MacArthur instead using Vasilevsky so I give him a lot more love than many others. I think he is the only Infantry general that is at least comparable with MacArthur (all others are just worse versions) but it is really playstyle dependent and also a not a really popular opinion. The biggest issue I have however is with the Special Forces. For this game they are almost as important as generals. And like with medals, you also have a limited number of badges if you want to clear the game efficiently. The Infantry list I have no problems with although I think the 82nd Airborne is a waste to put badges on. You don't need it for the Allies. The M7-Pries I think most would agree is a complete waste as there are many better choices to put a Special Force on than an Arty. Even with the 35% chance to attack again (which is a *Auto Corrected* number compared to Cossacks or Tanks). The Katyusha and Elefant are great. I also think most would agree the Armored Cars are a waste, although better than the M7. Putting Badges into 2 Allied ones probably the equivalent of recruiting Devers and De Guille, they help but you could better spend your badges on other more important things. Panther is a no brainer, I think you would also have to put badges into one of the Allied Tanks. KV6 and Maus are also great. If I had a do-again this would probably be my general path just for reference/feedback/my opinions. Also Generals listed in brackets are alternatives depending on playstyle. Guderian - Leeb - Rommel - Vatutin(Roko/Monty) - Yamashita - Vasilevsky(MacArthur) - Donitz(Nagumo) - Govorov - Yamamoto(Kesserling) - Clark(Slim)- Halsey. I think that's all you need to date to perfect clear the game without frustration. Special Forces I would prioritize. KV6/Maus Katyusha/Elefant Panther/KV2 although the Panther is far more important. Cossack/Viking NKVD/Grenadier/Jaegar Also Its better to MAX a Special Forces than Spread Badges amongst multiple Special Forces. |
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Post by Grigory Kulik on Mar 30, 2021 7:21:02 GMT
stoic, Nagumo in isolation would be the best navy gen in the game.
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Post by Grigory Kulik on Mar 30, 2021 7:28:22 GMT
Amazing,Yeah, I agree with most of what you said. As someone who perfect cleared the game, I was wondering what your opinion was on heavy tanks v.s. medium tanks. I think I prefer medium tanks, especially because the panther is OP with Guderian/Manstien.
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Post by stoic on Mar 30, 2021 13:01:57 GMT
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Post by stoic on Mar 30, 2021 13:17:16 GMT
It is a joke, of course . Speaking seriously it depends on the attitude and commitment of this or that particular player. If someone plays all modes of the game, collects daily rewards and watches ads - he should be fine, since upgrading a couple of Infantry SF or medium tanks isn't a blunder. But if someone (like me) neglected United front and Army Group modes - then he should be selective. I would say 2 allied heavy tanks and 2 heavy Artillery SF and 1 axis heavy tank (we don't have more unfortunately) and 2 heavy Artillery SF are really helpful indeed. They are expensive but heavy tanks and Artillery rule the battlefield. As they say: "I am not rich enough to buy cheap things" |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 30, 2021 13:28:04 GMT
Grigory Kulik, I argue that MacArthur, Rundstedt, and Rommel are both much better buys than Guderian, but Otherwise, apart from a dislike that you think Patton is the Best allied Armor General, (Roko/Monty/Vatutin are better), I like your guide. As usual, I disagree with your path, but it is the usual forum way. I think Badoglio is just as good as Leeb.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 14:26:39 GMT
Grigory Kulik , I argue that MacArthur, Rundstedt, and Rommel are both much better buys than Guderian, but Otherwise, apart from a dislike that you think Patton is the Best allied Armor General, (Roko/Monty/Vatutin are better), I like your guide. As usual, I disagree with your path, but it is the usual forum way. I think Badoglio is just as good as Leeb. Forgive me for stealing this from eeeeef , but.... as expected from Gerd von Rundstedt . :) |
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Post by Amazing on Mar 30, 2021 16:20:01 GMT
@ Grigory Kulik, I prefer Heavy Tanks, sometimes running generals on two of them as Allied (Vatutin/Timoshenko in my case) because you have the KV6 and the T28 but for the earlier campaigns you aren't given that many Heavy Tanks so sometimes you don't have a choice. For Axis, I would only run 2 generals on Heavies if it was a pure land based map with no navy. Normally because of a lack of choice, for Axis I find it better to go 1 Heavy with Rommel on the Maus and Guderian on the Panther and then compliment them with Yamamoto & Nagumo on sea. If its a Pure-Land based map for 44/45, I find myself putting Bock on the 2nd Heavy because of his Leadership. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 30, 2021 20:10:52 GMT
In Pacific 1945 campaigns we have 2 Heavy tanks at our disposal more often than we don't have them...
In 6 out of 8 axis missions we can make use of 2 heavy tanks.
And the same is true for Allies as well: 5 missions out of 8.
So, instead of asking ourselves: "who is better while commanding medium tanks?" I would rather ask another question: "who is better while commanding my second heavy tank?"
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