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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 6, 2021 13:14:01 GMT
Is it really too important? On a general or a special force. IMO, the group is only as fast as its slowest member, for if it breaks up, they are bound to be destroyed. Movement is useful in capturing an objective, yes, but is it good for anything in the grand strategic sense? Please give reasons below. My personal opinion is that, unless your units are all tanks, then movement on a general or SF us not too important, although certainly useful.
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Post by nimrael on Apr 6, 2021 13:19:06 GMT
I played in the Last days a Lot of Legion Mode, i think a certain amount of Movespeed is needed to Cross rivers, but in the campaign, i hadnt the Feeling im to slow. Maybe in Missions With a Lot of rivers.
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Post by Amazing on Apr 6, 2021 13:58:15 GMT
Its more important on certain units than others. It also pairs with your special forces. I'm taking the view from a Campaign + Challenge perspective as well so it could differ.
For Infantry I think its super important as they are mainly needed on the front lines and you need to position them on the best terrain possible. I think you need at least 2 in movement for an all-rounded Infantry general.
For other units I don't think movement matters that much, your Arty and Heavies are always going to be positioned behind other units so you're not really going to feel the difference.
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Apr 6, 2021 14:34:06 GMT
I think Movement is super important, For example:Lets say your heavy tank general gets ambushed and needs to be repaired. If he has good movement (I.e montgomery) he can get to the factory and back to the frontline in 2-3 turns (with max KV6). But if its someone slower like vatutin he will take longer to get back, so your forces will be without the heavy firepower for too long.
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Post by Amazing on Apr 6, 2021 14:58:58 GMT
I think Movement is super important, For example:Lets say your heavy tank general gets ambushed and needs to be repaired. If he has good movement (I.e montgomery) he can get to the factory and back to the frontline in 2-3 turns (with max KV6). But if its someone slower like vatutin he will take longer to get back, so your forces will be without the heavy firepower for too long. I think the trick is to never let your heavy tank get ambushed. In all of my campaigns except for Burma, I never needed Vatutin to retreat to a Factory, there's usually always one near a city you need to capture. Challenge mode actually makes movement even more pointless though, which I think ends the Vatutin/Roko/Monty debate as well, Vatutin is easily the 2nd best Heavy after Rommel. |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 6, 2021 15:01:18 GMT
I think Movement is super important, For example:Lets say your heavy tank general gets ambushed and needs to be repaired. If he has good movement (I.e montgomery) he can get to the factory and back to the frontline in 2-3 turns (with max KV6). But if its someone slower like vatutin he will take longer to get back, so your forces will be without the heavy firepower for too long. I think the trick is to never let your heavy tank get ambushed. In all of my campaigns except for Burma, I never needed Vatutin to retreat to a Factory, there's usually always one near a city you need to capture. Challenge mode actually makes movement even more pointless though, which I think ends the Vatutin/Roko/Monty debate as well, Vatutin is easily the 2nd best Heavy after Rommel. From what I've learned from discussing with the other members of the forum, the argument of Vatutin VS Roko/Monty all comes down to personally preference, bias, play style, and experience. |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 6, 2021 15:01:57 GMT
Movement is easily the most important stat in the game imo, there's a reason the highest movement star count any general has is 3*.
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Post by Port on Apr 6, 2021 15:03:04 GMT
I think Movement is super important, For example:Lets say your heavy tank general gets ambushed and needs to be repaired. If he has good movement (I.e montgomery) he can get to the factory and back to the frontline in 2-3 turns (with max KV6). But if its someone slower like vatutin he will take longer to get back, so your forces will be without the heavy firepower for too long. I think the trick is to never let your heavy tank get ambushed. In all of my campaigns except for Burma, I never needed Vatutin to retreat to a Factory, there's usually always one near a city you need to capture. Challenge mode actually makes movement even more pointless though, which I think ends the Vatutin/Roko/Monty debate as well, Vatutin is easily the 2nd best Heavy after Rommel. Yes. No one beats Rommel on heavy tanks. Imagine if Rommel could use the KV-6, then Rokossovsky/Montgomery/Vatutin would be no match. |
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Post by Amazing on Apr 6, 2021 15:07:55 GMT
I think the trick is to never let your heavy tank get ambushed. In all of my campaigns except for Burma, I never needed Vatutin to retreat to a Factory, there's usually always one near a city you need to capture. Challenge mode actually makes movement even more pointless though, which I think ends the Vatutin/Roko/Monty debate as well, Vatutin is easily the 2nd best Heavy after Rommel. Yes. No one beats Rommel on heavy tanks. Imagine if Rommel could use the KV-6, then Rokossovsky/Montgomery/Vatutin would be no match. Rommel can now use the KV-6 in Challenge Mode, that's what I was basing my argument on.  He is clearly #1 on Heavies in Challenge Mode, Vatutin is probably 2nd now because movement in that mode is off ZERO importance |
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Post by Port on Apr 6, 2021 15:09:20 GMT
Yes. No one beats Rommel on heavy tanks. Imagine if Rommel could use the KV-6, then Rokossovsky/Montgomery/Vatutin would be no match. Rommel can now use the KV-6 in Challenge Mode, that's what I was basing my argument on. He is clearly #1 on Heavies in Challenge Mode, Vatutin is probably 2nd now because movement in that mode is off ZERO importance YES Amazing, CORRECT. IT IS JUST I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY HEAVY TANKS YET IN ANTARCTICA. |
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Post by Amazing on Apr 6, 2021 15:15:13 GMT
Rommel can now use the KV-6 in Challenge Mode, that's what I was basing my argument on. He is clearly #1 on Heavies in Challenge Mode, Vatutin is probably 2nd now because movement in that mode is off ZERO importance YES Amazing , CORRECT. IT IS JUST I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY HEAVY TANKS YET IN ANTARCTICA. Too Bad. Learn to use Guderian and Panther. Or Worse Guderian on an Armored Car with unranked Special Forces because who the heck upgrades those  I think theres only been like 3 missions where I have had 2 Heavy Tanks so there is that.  BUT YES CLEARLY I AM CORRECT. |
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Post by Port on Apr 6, 2021 15:17:01 GMT
YES Amazing , CORRECT. IT IS JUST I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY HEAVY TANKS YET IN ANTARCTICA. Too Bad. Learn to use Guderian and Panther. Or Worse Guderian on an Armored Car with unranked Special Forces because who the heck upgrades those I think theres only been like 3 missions where I have had 2 Heavy Tanks so there is that. BUT YES CLEARLY I AM CORRECT. YOU ARE CORRECT, AND GUDERIANS BEST FREND IS PANTHER AND PRINZ EUGEN, PACIFIC 1942+ WESTERN FRONT 1944! |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 6, 2021 15:17:30 GMT
YES Amazing , CORRECT. IT IS JUST I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY HEAVY TANKS YET IN ANTARCTICA. Too Bad. Learn to use Guderian and Panther. Or Worse Guderian on an Armored Car with unranked Special Forces because who the heck upgrades those I think theres only been like 3 missions where I have had 2 Heavy Tanks so there is that. BUT YES CLEARLY I AM CORRECT. Your overuse of emotes tells me otherwise but that may only be from personal trauma. |
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Post by andrei on Apr 6, 2021 15:19:21 GMT
I think the trick is to never let your heavy tank get ambushed. In all of my campaigns except for Burma, I never needed Vatutin to retreat to a Factory, there's usually always one near a city you need to capture. Challenge mode actually makes movement even more pointless though, which I think ends the Vatutin/Roko/Monty debate as well, Vatutin is easily the 2nd best Heavy after Rommel. From what I've learned from discussing with the other members of the forum, the argument of Vatutin VS Roko/Monty all comes down to personally preference, bias, play style, and experience. I'ld say it depends on what exactly You are interested in. In case You just want to complete the game perfectly there is no need to debate at all. This is not EW5 and nor even EW6:1804 Any general will suffice. In case You are playing for challenge, speedrun, competition You need the best. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 6, 2021 15:19:21 GMT
Yes. No one beats Rommel on heavy tanks. Imagine if Rommel could use the KV-6, then Rokossovsky/Montgomery/Vatutin would be no match. Rommel can now use the KV-6 in Challenge Mode, that's what I was basing my argument on. He is clearly #1 on Heavies in Challenge Mode, Vatutin is probably 2nd now because movement in that mode is off ZERO importance Movement was of Zero importance anyway, but I prefer Monty, although I use Vatutin for his Price. |
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