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Post by andrei on Apr 25, 2021 16:19:13 GMT
I use Kesserling as 2nd inf gen when needed. It makes difference on (again) units with low morale But this is complementary to his main air ability That's absolutely reasonable. But value of this 2nd infantry gen will be same low as the value of Yamamoto as additional admiral. Their main role is air damage and I think they should be compared in this field. And I see that many players suppose Kesselring's 3 infantry stars make him decent infantry general option. Of course if You bought him why not to use. But whether it is a big advantage? I doubt. |
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Post by andrei on Apr 25, 2021 16:28:31 GMT
[quote author=" andrei " source="/post/283382/thread Sorry for my mistake(2 times), i didn't considereted my tech level (which is 6), i guess the "very useful" its not correct word (sorry for that) maybe just a extra, at the beginning of the game he is not a priority. No problem. It wasn't against You. I just wanted to clarify what drives players to make this or that decision. These 3 stars in infantry look nice, but in reality without good skills to backup this base stat it is of very low value imo. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 25, 2021 16:44:52 GMT
Student!
He costs more money but is way better at combat imo
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Post by STILETT0 on Apr 25, 2021 18:34:35 GMT
Student! He costs more money but is way better at combat imo lol. Why get Kesselring when there's always Student? Student way better imo. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 25, 2021 19:30:06 GMT
Student! He costs more money but is way better at combat imo lol. Why get Kesselring when there's always Student? Student way better imo. Student has +15 infantry damage after paradrop. Kesselring has +12 infantry damage when attacking low morale enemies, +20 air damage, and is better at lowering morale with airstrikes. Kesselring has a lot more advantages. |
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Post by STILETT0 on Apr 25, 2021 21:25:40 GMT
lol. Why get Kesselring when there's always Student? Student way better imo. Student has +15 infantry damage after paradrop. Kesselring has +12 infantry damage when attacking low morale enemies, +20 air damage, and is better at lowering morale with airstrikes. Kesselring has a lot more advantages. ik. I just like Student better :) |
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Post by 曹操 on Apr 25, 2021 23:10:30 GMT
Kesselring ofc, he is really useful at Conquest and Army Group mode since he can be a paratroop gen unlike Yamamoto where you need Carrier to use him What prevents Yamamoto from using as paratrooper?  You can put him on arty or tank as well. Why do You need carrier to use Yamamoto? With Kasselring we trade 15 air attack for 15 inf attack. Why do I need this additional infantry attack with air gen? I will easily compensate it with higher air damage. What is the point? Especially if You speak about conquest mode. You don't need to focus units outside cities at all particularly with air strikes. Kesselring can be your second infantry general and that makes me say he is a better general for paratrooper. Remember paratroop units also will try to attack and damage the enemy (This is where Kesselring 3 star infantry will be useful rather than Yamamoto which doesn't have star on Infantry). He could also given 88mm Flak or Wiking to help your main Infantry gen (Mine is Rundstedt) which mostly will have Grenadier (Give extra two mobility unlike wiking and 88mm flak give zero mobility for his lack of mobility). Also Yamamoto appearance on Pacific War is the Reason for me why he is better on Carrier since on this Campaign you mostly will encounter Naval battle unlike Kesselring which appears on Western and North Africa Front where you mostly using Airport to launch a Air Strike. Lastly, in Conquest some enemy units will attack you when you are on a cities/Airport so you will still need to focus to attack on enemy outside cities. |
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Post by andrei on Apr 26, 2021 4:15:51 GMT
What prevents Yamamoto from using as paratrooper? You can put him on arty or tank as well. Why do You need carrier to use Yamamoto? With Kasselring we trade 15 air attack for 15 inf attack. Why do I need this additional infantry attack with air gen? I will easily compensate it with higher air damage. What is the point? Especially if You speak about conquest mode. You don't need to focus units outside cities at all particularly with air strikes. Kesselring can be your second infantry general and that makes me say he is a better general for paratrooper. Remember paratroop units also will try to attack and damage the enemy (This is where Kesselring 3 star infantry will be useful rather than Yamamoto which doesn't have star on Infantry). He could also given 88mm Flak or Wiking to help your main Infantry gen (Mine is Rundstedt) which mostly will have Grenadier (Give extra two mobility unlike wiking and 88mm flak give zero mobility for his lack of mobility). Also Yamamoto appearance on Pacific War is the Reason for me why he is better on Carrier since on this Campaign you mostly will encounter Naval battle unlike Kesselring which appears on Western and North Africa Front where you mostly using Airport to launch a Air Strike. Lastly, in Conquest some enemy units will attack you when you are on a cities/Airport so you will still need to focus to attack on enemy outside cities. Explanation that Kesselring could be used as infantry gen or as anti air is very strange. Yamamoto could also be used as second navy, or as anti air. We were speaking about air general. I doubt their secondary utility is valuable and I already made some screens supporting my opinion. But whatever I see Your point. You think he saves You somewhere in the missions. OK noted. I just disagree he saves anybody in any mission. He makes no real impact as an infantry gen. It's selfhypnosis (I'll use this gen - he has at least 3 stars) in my opinion. |
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Post by faxe on Apr 26, 2021 8:46:13 GMT
... In case someone plan to invest in air gen this gen should be the best air gen in the game. And it is Yamamoto. Why? He only does a little bit more damage in citys. Kesselring hast victory rush. So he crashes units with higher HP more easily. |
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Post by andrei on Apr 26, 2021 9:13:10 GMT
... In case someone plan to invest in air gen this gen should be the best air gen in the game. And it is Yamamoto. Why? He only does a little bit more damage in citys. Kesselring hast victory rush. So he crashes units with higher HP more easily. Sorry. Maybe I misunderstand something. What exactly do You mean? Here are screenshots of Yamamoto and Kesselring attacking same 3-stack general unit outside the city.          
They both have to use 5 strikes to kill 3-stack enemy. So they are same effective when attacking target outside the city. And in case they attack city Yamamoto most times will be more efficient. Or what did You mean? |
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Post by Alexyx on Apr 26, 2021 11:56:54 GMT
I use neither xDDDD
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Post by faxe on Apr 26, 2021 16:40:55 GMT
Statistic evidence in one try...
If there are blue wings, this doesn't trigger. Morale need to be lower? So they are equal in different ways.
If attacking Inf use fighters ;-)
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Post by andrei on Apr 26, 2021 17:05:07 GMT
Statistic evidence in one try... If there are blue wings, this doesn't trigger. Morale need to be lower? So they are equal in different ways. If attacking Inf use fighters ;-) OK I see. You've got no arguments and You decided to teach me how to play  What exactly fighters/bombers changes in our comparison? A bit surprised You didn't mention that putting them on arty was stupid. Paratrooper is better And regarding one try. You really think that more attempts will make different results? I actually was hoping that You will support Your statement that Kasselring "crashes units with higher HP more easily" with something more solid rather than provide extremely secret information that fighters are better against infantry. Can You? |
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Post by yuanzhong on Apr 27, 2021 3:36:20 GMT
Statistic evidence in one try... If there are blue wings, this doesn't trigger. Morale need to be lower? So they are equal in different ways. If attacking Inf use fighters ;-) You want Blue wings and here they're. Yama and Kesselring are equal in airstrike on open hex and V.Rush is totally useless in airstrike. You should prove your evidence instead of saying "if..." and don't so sure about anything when you haven't tried it or know it exactly. I don't care Yama or Kess is better because I have all generals in this game so I'm not in any side in this argument |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 27, 2021 3:53:33 GMT
Statistic evidence in one try... If there are blue wings, this doesn't trigger. Morale need to be lower? So they are equal in different ways. If attacking Inf use fighters ;-) Victory rush doesn't work on air..... |
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