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Dumouriez
Jun 1, 2021 20:52:38 GMT
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Jun 1, 2021 20:52:38 GMT
... let's talk about a popular general ... What is your opinion about Dumouriez I hope you will like the EFC edition.
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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 2, 2021 1:21:31 GMT
Dumouriez is the best tier i cavalry general, a trainer, and a solid 4 star general. My rankings are: 1 bad in game 2 average in game 3 good in game 4 can make the team 5 can make the final team
Dumouriez is a good choice first general for a multi slot game. I'd rank him 4th best tier i general after Arnold, Dietz, and Kutaisov. If you only have 4 slots and will be training your Princesses, Dietz is a better choice. The two biggest knocks 0are that he is about twice the price of Agha, the cheapest cavalry general. In exchange, you get a far more useful general. The other issue is surprise vs. strike, this means you need to be more choosy about your attacks for max effect. Nevertheless, with 4 cav Stars, he will do good damage (30+) in all situations with a snare drum.
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Post by John Marston on Jun 2, 2021 6:45:46 GMT
3 stars. Going by littlecorporal's rating, that would be 3. He can be regrouped anytime once you have found your cav commander. Also, he (used to?) come free so that's definitely a plus point
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Dumouriez
Jun 2, 2021 11:17:54 GMT
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Jun 2, 2021 11:17:54 GMT
I asked this, because I think he is not a good choice for the price he costs (570🎖). 4½ ⭐ and 2 movement is not enough to keep him longer, with his price he could be even tier II There very few cavalary generals in tier I+II. This is his biggest advantage, but as littlecorporal said: - Diez is more wanted, cheaper and has a better usability as cavalary general. - Agha costs almost the half. - and Sulkovski costs only 60% more. He was the only general I bought once on my first play. He couldn't make it in my team - after two missions I regrouped him in Fatima. So I rate him 2⭐ - even Maria is better for my point of view.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 2, 2021 11:58:52 GMT
He might have been better had his rank not sucked so badly and he had strike rather than surprise. 3 stars.
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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 3, 2021 6:13:36 GMT
No tier i cavalry guys with strike, his closest competition is probably Charles with siege master. Dmz has the better stars and is more useful early game when you just have snare and War horse.
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Jun 3, 2021 6:38:57 GMT
No tier i cavalry guys with strike, his closest competition is probably Charles with siege master. Dmz has the better stars and is more useful early game when you just have snare and War horse. Warhorse + Snair + Duomirez = 2000🎖 So early is his great help not. He has a price like comming from tier II - If you want to spend for trainer as general already 200🎖 extra: put another 200 or 300🎖 on top, and get someone decent. Or use Maria and buy a pistol instead of Dmz - much better. PS: Diez is even the better cav general, costs 30🎖 less and is a very valuable trainer.
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Dumouriez
Jun 3, 2021 14:35:14 GMT
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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 3, 2021 14:35:14 GMT
No tier i cavalry guys with strike, his closest competition is probably Charles with siege master. Dmz has the better stars and is more useful early game when you just have snare and War horse. Warhorse + Snair + Duomirez = 2000🎖 So early is his great help not. He has a price like comming from tier II - If you want to spend for trainer as general already 200🎖 extra: put another 200 or 300🎖 on top, and get someone decent. Or use Maria and buy a pistol instead of Dmz - much better. PS: Diez is even the better cav general, costs 30🎖 less and is a very valuable trainer. These are all good points which I agree with. There are better options. I do think the game version you play also is important. If you are free to play, no ads, then you have to watch every medal. If you are spending some money on medals or are good about watching ads, then it's a good shortcut to use Dumoriez. I once had a starting team of Arnold, Zavresky, Kutaisov, Dumoriez, a very effective squad until you can get the higher Princesses.
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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 3, 2021 14:36:43 GMT
Also, snare and War horse are pretty much required to win the game, do it's not fair to put all the cost on Dumouriez, Lan will use them both as well.
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Dumouriez
Jun 29, 2021 16:41:18 GMT
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 29, 2021 16:41:18 GMT
Overrated. Team Sulkowski all the way
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Dumouriez
Jun 30, 2021 0:06:51 GMT
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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 30, 2021 0:06:51 GMT
No tier i cavalry guys with strike, his closest competition is probably Charles with siege master. Dmz has the better stars and is more useful early game when you just have snare and War horse. Junot has strike in tier 1. Highly underrated general.
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Jun 30, 2021 2:16:44 GMT
No tier i cavalry guys with strike, his closest competition is probably Charles with siege master. Dmz has the better stars and is more useful early game when you just have snare and War horse. Junot has strike in tier 1. Highly underrated general. Ok Junot has strike and costs only 425🎖. But he is no trainer and has no movement. Traning him makes no sence: One Diez, and Sulkowski is already cheaper. I'm with Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus, if you look for a combat general, Sulkowski is the only one. Also, snare and War horse are pretty much required to win the game, do it's not fair to put all the cost on Dumouriez, Lan will use them both as well. Yes: For shure I can't count the War Horse and the Snair Drum only on top of Dumouriez. This is a problem that has to be taken in account for all the first generals: With 350🎖 at the start you will have quickly the 570🎖 to buy Dumouriez, but full usefull will he be only when you have also these items.
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Dumouriez
Jul 3, 2021 13:55:02 GMT
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Post by littlecorporal on Jul 3, 2021 13:55:02 GMT
Junot has strike in tier 1. Highly underrated general. Ok Junot has strike and costs only 425🎖. But he is no trainer and has no movement. Traning him makes no sence: One Diez, and Sulkowski is already cheaper. I'm with Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus, if you look for a combat general, Sulkowski is the only one. Also, snare and War horse are pretty much required to win the game, do it's not fair to put all the cost on Dumouriez, Lan will use them both as well. Yes: For shure I can't count the War Horse and the Snair Drum only on top of Dumouriez. This is a problem that has to be taken in account for all the first generals: With 350🎖 at the start you will have quickly the 570🎖 to buy Dumouriez, but full usefull will he be only when you have also these items. This I agree with under most circumstances except one: for brand new Players. I think if someone is struggling with early missions, Junot is the best early general to buy. Cavalry generals are the best, and he's the only tier i guy who can still be useful at later stages.
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Post by pathdoc on Sept 2, 2021 14:17:29 GMT
The problem with Diez is the same problem as Kutaisov - he is the cheapest trainer of his kind. If you want to train Diez in movement, you cannot buy Diez to regroup him into himself. The next move trainer is Exelmans, at 710 medals.
If you want Dumouriez at 5* Cav and 5* Move, you must buy 1 x Agha (375) and 3 x Diez (540 each, 1620 total) = 1995 medals.
To do the same with Diez, you must buy 2 x Agha (750 total) and 2 x Exelmans (1420) = 2170 medals, and Diez does not have Surprise (which IIRC comes with the chance to demoralize the enemy; not sure how useful it is).
Junot is 150 medals cheaper than Dumo, so if you buy him you save those 150, but then you take an extra 225 hit to make up for the fact that he's not a cavalry trainer and you have to buy Agha after all when it comes around to regrouping him (e.g. into Lan). Is the Strike skill worth that? And Dumo has 4* to Junot's 3* in cav...
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Dumouriez
Sept 2, 2021 14:37:47 GMT
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Sept 2, 2021 14:37:47 GMT
The problem with Diez is the same problem as Kutaisov - he is the cheapest trainer of his kind. If you want to train Diez in movement, you cannot buy Diez to regroup him into himself. The next move trainer is Exelmans, at 710 medals. If you want Dumouriez at 5* Cav and 5* Move, you must buy 1 x Agha (375) and 3 x Diez (540 each, 1620 total) = 1995 medals. To do the same with Diez, you must buy 2 x Agha (750 total) and 2 x Exelmans (1420) = 2170 medals, and Diez does not have Surprise (which IIRC comes with the chance to demoralize the enemy; not sure how useful it is). Junot is 150 medals cheaper than Dumo, so if you buy him you save those 150, but then you take an extra 225 hit to make up for the fact that he's not a cavalry trainer and you have to buy Agha after all when it comes around to regrouping him (e.g. into Lan). Is the Strike skill worth that? And Dumo has 4* to Junot's 3* in cav... NO trainer for non edgame generals ! There is only one exception: Fatima. Training Dumo is a waste of medals. For this price you get Sulkovski or Golitsyn. But don't buy early generals - without items there pretty useless - Sophia + War Horse + Snair + Oak Wheel - this costs already and the commander is free! + gunpowder, horse shoe and bluecher sabre and Fatima 5⭐ trade. - After all this, you can start to think about the academy.
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