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Post by NotRandom on Aug 16, 2021 21:32:45 GMT
yeah I think there should be 2 for each type
Tanks:-Vatutin (0-0): 5* tanks, 0* movement, air force, and navy, 3* infantry, 1* artillery - Level 2 tide of iron
- Level 2 armored assault
- Level 2 anti armor
-Guderian (Hype, idk why ET makes him so good every time, and I'm being very generous to him): 5* tanks, 4* movement, 0* infantry, artillery, navy, and air force. - Level 2 blitzkrieg
- Level 1 encouraged
- Level 1 victory rush
Infantry:-Mannerheim: 5* infantry, 1* movement, 2* artillery & tanks, 0* on everything else - Level 2 Raider
- Level 2 Sniper
- Level 2 Bayonet Charge
-Kuribayashi 5* infantry, 3* tanks, 3* artillery, 0* for everything else - Level 2 Gurellia
- Level 2 Army Group (sorry Eisenhower, but you'll get your time in the sun)
- Level 2 Raider
Artillery:
-Zhukov:
no changes
-Konev (the boys are back together):
5* artillery, 3* infantry, 3* tanks, 1* movements, 0* for everything else - Level 2 Accuracy
- Level 2 Plain fighting
- Level 1 Snow fighting
Navy:
-Donitz: no changes except for 5* in navy -Nimitz: 5* navy, 3* air force, 2* infantry & artillery, 3* movement, 0* for the rest - Level 2 Warning
- Level 2 Naval gun strike
- Level 2 Organization
Air force:
-Yamamoto (not today, Kesselring):
5* air force, 4* navy & movement, 3* infantry and 0* for the rest
- Level 2 Dive bombing
- Level 2 Sea scout
- Level 2 Air force cluster
-Eisenhower (ehehehehehe):5* air force, 0* artillery, 4* for everything else - Level 2 Carpet bombing
- Level 2 Aviation fuel
- Level 2 Inspiration
Movement:
-Yamashita
no changes except for 5* movement
-MacArthur
no changes except for 5* movement
lemme know what you think about all of this .-.
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Post by 曹操 on Aug 16, 2021 23:29:39 GMT
-Guderian Desperate? Encourage? IMO it should be Anti Tank and Plain Fighting -Why does Kuri need Army Group, he will be better with samurai since IJA morale in Iwo jima never dropped -Yamamoto Dive bombing should be replaced with Carpet bombing (his Airstrike probably never reduced the morale of marines tho )
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Post by randomperson on Aug 17, 2021 4:00:59 GMT
For tanks, there's Manstein (unless you want to demote him). Also, Guderian should have at least a few air stars (Air is an important part of blitzkrieg).
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Post by NotRandom on Aug 17, 2021 4:01:40 GMT
-Guderian Desperate? Encourage? IMO it should be Anti Tank and Plain Fighting -Why does Kuri need Army Group, he will be better with samurai since IJA morale in Iwo jima never dropped -Yamamoto Dive bombing should be replaced with Carpet bombing (his Airstrike probably never reduced the morale of marines tho )
1) tbh I can't think of any instances where Guderian was a great panzer commander against panzers, while encouraged and victory rush is a great pair for his early campaigns in france 2) Yeah that's true 3) Yamamoto was a pioneer for naval aviation which uh, was between dive and horizontal bombing |
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Aug 20, 2021 18:13:25 GMT
Guderian crushed lots of soviet armor in the encirclement campaigns in belarus/eastern poland
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Aug 21, 2021 6:22:10 GMT
Guderian crushed lots of soviet armor in the encirclement campaigns in belarus/eastern poland You mean Belostok-Minsk cauldron? Guderian faced only the 14th mechanised Corps of the Red Army there and it executed only passive halting action. It’s losses were high due to the general situation (German aerial superiority, long retreat under the danger of encirclement etc.), not because Guderian used his anti-armour facilities in an outstanding way. Soviets did lose a lot of armour to German anti-tank guns, but it was in the counterattack near Grodno, which was captured by the 9th Army, not the Guderian’s 2nd Tank Group, which advanced several hundred kilometres to the south. |
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Aug 21, 2021 6:24:45 GMT
In fact the only one big tank-to-tank battle, in which Guderian commanded German troops happened near Mtsensk in October 1941 and it was a tactical defeat for him
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Aug 23, 2021 12:01:00 GMT
yeah you're right  , i was also thinking the soviet counterattacks near smolensk might count but those weren't specifically against guderian's PG. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 23, 2021 14:59:30 GMT
I'd put Rokossovski over Vatutin.
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Post by John Marston on Aug 24, 2021 2:58:50 GMT
I'd put Rokossovski over Vatutin. Yep. Here we go again  |
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Aug 24, 2021 13:35:46 GMT
yeah you're right , i was also thinking the soviet counterattacks near smolensk might count but those weren't specifically against guderian's PG. Yeah they were against Hoth (quite a good reason to give him Anti-Armour, Hoth in this game is so much worse than IRL) |
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Aug 24, 2021 13:45:56 GMT
Yeah all the PG commanders are really bad in this game except guderian for some reason, i suppose they made them worse than IRL and made guderian better (although guderian was a good Panzer commander)
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Aug 24, 2021 13:49:23 GMT
Yeah all the PG commanders are really bad in this game except guderian for some reason, i suppose they made them worse than IRL and made guderian better (although guderian was a good Panzer commander) Guderian was desicive and did not hesitated in taking bold actions which were suitable for the kind of warfare Germany wanted to conduct (pioneered by Guderian). |
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Aug 24, 2021 17:16:01 GMT
Yeah all the PG commanders are really bad in this game except guderian for some reason, i suppose they made them worse than IRL and made guderian better (although guderian was a good Panzer commander) Guderian was great as one of the fathers of German Panzerwaffe, but if you look closer on his actions in the East, it becomes obvious that he was a mediocre field commander. He was relieved of command of his PA during the Battle of Moscow not because Hitler was hysterical, but due to his loss of important Sukhinichi-Belev region, where the Red Army formed a big bulge, which became a real headache for AG “Centre” later. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 28, 2021 19:05:14 GMT
Yeah all the PG commanders are really bad in this game except guderian for some reason, i suppose they made them worse than IRL and made guderian better (although guderian was a good Panzer commander) Guderian was great as one of the fathers of German Panzerwaffe, but if you look closer on his actions in the East, it becomes obvious that he was a mediocre field commander. He was relieved of command of his PA during the Battle of Moscow not because Hitler was hysterical, but due to his loss of important Sukhinichi-Belev region, where the Red Army formed a big bulge, which became a real headache for AG “Centre” later. , I still insist you should join the Historical Society. |
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, i was also thinking the soviet counterattacks near smolensk might count but those weren't specifically against guderian's PG.
