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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 30, 2021 14:43:28 GMT
That can be said about USA too that without them Allies would have lost the war Yeah, it implies to all of the three of them. So then, I think the real timeline actions decide the question.
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Aug 30, 2021 14:54:40 GMT
That's a tough question. Britain for never say die attitude, Soviet Union for bearing the brunt of German offensive and USA for aiding the Allies. Can't pick one. Maybe British But still, I would rate destroying the enemy higher than nit getting defeated, especially as the Soviets had the never die altitude as well. For the aiding allies, from what I have read the lend lease wasn't that important atleast on the Eastern front. Should I start a thread with a lecture about Great Patriotic War? I think that it would be interesting for the most people here and I’m unashamed enough to declare myself almost a connoisseur of this war) I’d try my best to cover the main things in detail and unbiased.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 30, 2021 15:06:08 GMT
But still, I would rate destroying the enemy higher than nit getting defeated, especially as the Soviets had the never die altitude as well. For the aiding allies, from what I have read the lend lease wasn't that important atleast on the Eastern front. Should I start a thread with a lecture about Great Patriotic War? I think that it would be interesting for the most people here and I’m unashamed enough to declare myself almost a connoisseur of this war) I’d try my best to cover the main things in detail and unbiased. Definitely you really are an expert of the Eastern Front (to say it neutrally)! And I wouldn't want to force anyone do anything or repeat myself, but seriously join the Historical Society!
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Aug 30, 2021 15:33:00 GMT
Should I start a thread with a lecture about Great Patriotic War? I think that it would be interesting for the most people here and I’m unashamed enough to declare myself almost a connoisseur of this war) I’d try my best to cover the main things in detail and unbiased. Definitely you really are an expert of the Eastern Front (to say it neutrally)! And I wouldn't want to force anyone do anything or repeat myself, but seriously join the Historical Society! Thanks for your support. I’ll send request to join after first parts of the lecture released, when the forum will note my existence and my history knowledge
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 30, 2021 15:36:04 GMT
Definitely you really are an expert of the Eastern Front (to say it neutrally)! And I wouldn't want to force anyone do anything or repeat myself, but seriously join the Historical Society! Thanks for your support. I’ll send request to join after first parts of the lecture released, when the forum will note my existence and my history knowledge But it's not about previous posts, you have a debate with one of the leaders, who are Gerd von Rundstedt and John Marston. You tell your area of expertise and then they ask you questions from that area. The questions are not like in which year did Germany invade Poland, but rather like my first question: What were the reasons for the Crimean campaign (WW2) in your opinion?
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Aug 30, 2021 16:05:55 GMT
Thanks for your support. I’ll send request to join after first parts of the lecture released, when the forum will note my existence and my history knowledge But it's not about previous posts, you have a debate with one of the leaders, who are Gerd von Rundstedt and John Marston. You tell your area of expertise and then they ask you questions from that area. The questions are not like in which year did Germany invade Poland, but rather like my first question: What were the reasons for the Crimean campaign (WW2) in your opinion? Should I answer now or was it just an example?
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 30, 2021 16:20:14 GMT
But it's not about previous posts, you have a debate with one of the leaders, who are Gerd von Rundstedt and John Marston. You tell your area of expertise and then they ask you questions from that area. The questions are not like in which year did Germany invade Poland, but rather like my first question: What were the reasons for the Crimean campaign (WW2) in your opinion? Should I answer now or was it just an example? Just an example. That was the first question I was asked and I am not the person to ask the questions.
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Aug 31, 2021 0:00:51 GMT
It was Italy's fault of making Germany being tortured by Russia in the winter, so Soviet Russia.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Sept 2, 2021 18:42:13 GMT
If Britain fell during the Battle of Britain and temporarily surrendered, would Europe 1939, excluding Italy's campaigns and Germany's interventions, have been called the War of the First Anti-Fascist Alliance? 🤔
If Japan had chosen not to attack the USA, would the wars in Europe and the Pacific been named differently?
I believe that Britain also played a massive role as well:
Britain did try to push the USA to join in which influenced American politics at the highest level. Britain was the key behind the Allied effort in holding the Luftwaffe at bay, Hitler's political miscalculations (concerning Britain's situation in 1940 and Italy's failures) and the opening of new theatres of war. These actions diverted more Axis resources away from Operation Babarossa and struck at the corners of overstretched Axis controlled lands, chipping away even more resources. Britain had also carried out operations against key targets such as neutralising "potential threats" (neutral or Vichy supporting French assets, nationalist anti-colonialist groups, etc.), seizing key bases or positions and providing bases to operate from for the Allied counterattacks later on, outside of the USSR. Eg. The British Isles were vital for attacking France, Britain pressed Australia, Burma & India to participate which allowed for the Americans to intervene economically or militarily from Japan's corners, and Egypt was a good staging ground for invading Italian Libya, etc. Britain had also backed various resistance groups (Yugoslav, Italian, French, etc.) and hosted any Allied groups that could escape from conquered homelands, providing places for Allied countries to regroup at and fight back from.
Japan gave the American citizens and the US Government a strong moral and firm practical reason to go to war. No need to debate American and Soviet contributions here.
China did also bleed the Japanese out and tie down a large amount of the IJA which weakened the Japanese Empire's ability to conquer and hold more territory. Chinese resistance against Japanese invasions and Japanese atrocities in China had also pushed the American public and politicians to be more willing to go to war and take some steps towards this.
The Free French forces did join in on key offensives that ended the war in North Africa and liberated Western Europe. Those that sided with de Gaulle would have provided bases to strike at Axis forces, collaborators or "neutral" states that held worth.
Never forget the role of various parties and their contributions, both big and small. For a war on this scale across so many territories, every group or person played some part that should be recognised.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 2, 2021 23:40:28 GMT
Guys, you are missing the number one player. The most damaging nation to the German War Effort was Germany. Even if no armies had been there, just the need of an empire maintenance would bankrupt them.
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Post by Thortilla on Sept 3, 2021 1:08:58 GMT
United Kingdom. Nothing more to say.
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Post by John Marston on Sept 3, 2021 4:16:04 GMT
Guys, you are missing the number one player. The most damaging nation to the German War Effort was Germany. Even if no armies had been there, just the need of an empire maintenance would bankrupt them. I think Germany would have just allowed them to be semi - independent and their rulers would've been German puppets or who knows...even military generals. Also, more territory would mean more revenue. The Wehrmacht's size would've probably been reduced after the war and that should save them from bankruptcy (Though I might be underestimating the cost of maintaining a European Empire here).
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Sept 3, 2021 4:41:42 GMT
Guys, you are missing the number one player. The most damaging nation to the German War Effort was Germany. Even if no armies had been there, just the need of an empire maintenance would bankrupt them. Yeah, but I purposefully left it out.
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Sept 3, 2021 8:58:46 GMT
Germany decided to attack Russia so that they can flank Britain, you can guess how instrumental the role of Britain.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Sept 3, 2021 10:06:42 GMT
Germany decided to attack Russia so that they can flank Britain, you can guess how instrumental the role of Britain. Flank Britain? It was mainly social and geopolitical.
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