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Post by blueberry on Dec 24, 2021 20:49:16 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš VorošilovI think you're wasting your time, here... You would have more luck trying to convince Put¡n to give Crimea back to Ukraine...
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Dec 25, 2021 2:59:48 GMT
. That's a fair argument from Wallace, crime rate was high among blacks. Your source's conclusion is based on assumption that by "... deteriated to that of the Mongrel complexity", Wallace meant that blacks were inferior race. I don't think he meant that. 1. Are you serious. I think that is quite a racist comment. Crime rate was and still is high among African Americans, but as Gerd von Rundstedt said, it has nothing to do with their skin colour. 2. Not really, the source states that he thought "blacks were a separate and inferior race" and then gives an example on his thoughts on blacks in the form of a letter. I won't be arguing about sources though, I think that's just stupid in this case. Anyways, I think that opposing desegregation by attempting to prevent black students from entering a school is not only segregation but discrimination too. You don't need to be a KKK member killing blacks to be a racist. No matter whaf sources you believe he definitely fulfills my criteria of a racist and I wouldn't personally have him as my profile, but if the staff doesn't mind, then it's up to you. 1. No one, including Wallace, said it has anything to do with color of their skin. 2. But the source bases that conclusion completely on assumption and not on any actual statement by Wallace about blacks being inferior. He meant that blacks students should go to schools for blacks. I think Racism is just a myth, no one is or was actually racist. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 25, 2021 3:31:48 GMT
1. Are you serious. I think that is quite a racist comment. Crime rate was and still is high among African Americans, but as Gerd von Rundstedt said, it has nothing to do with their skin colour. 2. Not really, the source states that he thought "blacks were a separate and inferior race" and then gives an example on his thoughts on blacks in the form of a letter. I won't be arguing about sources though, I think that's just stupid in this case. Anyways, I think that opposing desegregation by attempting to prevent black students from entering a school is not only segregation but discrimination too. You don't need to be a KKK member killing blacks to be a racist. No matter whaf sources you believe he definitely fulfills my criteria of a racist and I wouldn't personally have him as my profile, but if the staff doesn't mind, then it's up to you. 1. No one, including Wallace, said it has anything to do with color of their skin. 2. But the source bases that conclusion completely on assumption and not on any actual statement by Wallace about blacks being inferior. He meant that blacks students should go to schools for blacks. I think Racism is just a myth, no one is or was actually racist. 1. KKK (refer to KJV's reply) 2. Nazi Germany (Nuremburg Trials were held for a reason) 3. U.S Slavery (a literal war was fought over it) 4. Apartheid/Segregation (Kept in place after the 14th & 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution) 5. Dreyfus Affair (Anti-Semitism) 6. Jim Crow Laws (goes along with #4, but still) 7. Post-WW1 Germany (They literally blamed Jews for the defeat!) 7 examples of racism, or at the very least targeting a group. It's hard to defend Wallace's actions at the Stand when the 14th and 15th Amendments and his president don't exactly support him. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Dec 25, 2021 10:23:36 GMT
1. No one, including Wallace, said it has anything to do with color of their skin. 2. But the source bases that conclusion completely on assumption and not on any actual statement by Wallace about blacks being inferior. He meant that blacks students should go to schools for blacks. I think Racism is just a myth, no one is or was actually racist. 1. KKK (refer to KJV's reply) 2. Nazi Germany (Nuremburg Trials were held for a reason) 3. U.S Slavery (a literal war was fought over it) 4. Apartheid/Segregation (Kept in place after the 14th & 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution) 5. Dreyfus Affair (Anti-Semitism) 6. Jim Crow Laws (goes along with #4, but still) 7. Post-WW1 Germany (They literally blamed Jews for the defeat!) 7 examples of racism, or at the very least targeting a group. It's hard to defend Wallace's actions at the Stand when the 14th and 15th Amendments and his president don't exactly support him. 1. KKK was more of a "Confederate identity" organisation. Nathan Bedford Forrest even said that And 3. That was more for economic reasons. Also, Civil War was fought for a number of reasons State's rights, tussle for political and economic control between planter class and bankers-abolitionists, tarrifs and the list goes on. 4. Neither Apartheid nor Segregation were "racist". They will always tell you that "Blacks"/"Mixed" were not allowed to use public facilities, which were to be used by "Whites", but they will never tell you that "Whites" too were not allowed to use public facilities, which were to be used by "Blacks"/"Mixed" and they will never tell you that "Mixed" too were not allowed to use public facilities, which were meant for "Blacks" and vice versa. 6. The Summary of the rulings under the so called "Jim Crow laws" was basically that as long as they were providing those services to everyone, they could be provided separately to people of different skin complexion. Those laws strictly prohibited denial of services to any individual solely because of color of his/her skin. 2;7. How are those related to skin complexion? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 25, 2021 10:39:49 GMT
1. KKK (refer to KJV's reply) 2. Nazi Germany (Nuremburg Trials were held for a reason) 3. U.S Slavery (a literal war was fought over it) 4. Apartheid/Segregation (Kept in place after the 14th & 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution) 5. Dreyfus Affair (Anti-Semitism) 6. Jim Crow Laws (goes along with #4, but still) 7. Post-WW1 Germany (They literally blamed Jews for the defeat!) 7 examples of racism, or at the very least targeting a group. It's hard to defend Wallace's actions at the Stand when the 14th and 15th Amendments and his president don't exactly support him. 's response You're actually just urinating on the graves of all those lynched and murdered African Americans, Native Americans, Latin Americans, Jews, homosexuals, leftists, Muslims, other immigrants and atheists. |
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Dec 25, 2021 10:58:12 GMT
All of you forgot!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Dec 25, 2021 11:03:19 GMT
1. KKK (refer to KJV's reply) 2. Nazi Germany (Nuremburg Trials were held for a reason) 3. U.S Slavery (a literal war was fought over it) 4. Apartheid/Segregation (Kept in place after the 14th & 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution) 5. Dreyfus Affair (Anti-Semitism) 6. Jim Crow Laws (goes along with #4, but still) 7. Post-WW1 Germany (They literally blamed Jews for the defeat!) 7 examples of racism, or at the very least targeting a group. It's hard to defend Wallace's actions at the Stand when the 14th and 15th Amendments and his president don't exactly support him. 1. KKK was more of a "Confederate identity" organisation. Nathan Bedford Forrest even said that: [cite]We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. [/cite]And I am not an enemy of the Negro. We want him here among us As a dishonnest politican, Wallace changed his political sayings to what, he thought, could make him winning the next election he was going for. His "standpoints" were since 1958 pure political opportunism to win his next elections. In the end, after all his flagchanges, the only thing what is remembered today of Wallace is: Wallace was claiming the right of his state for segregation. He used the racist argumentations for decades and was the galorehead of US south-state rassism in the 1960'ies. If somebody uses the wording and argumentation of an fraction for years, then it is absolutely correct to say: Wallaces was for decades the galorehead of south-state US rassism. So he was racist (at least in this time and for his voters) - If you want to be seen this way, keep your avatar Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Dec 25, 2021 11:07:05 GMT
You're actually just urinating on the graves of all those lynched and murdered African Americans, Native Americans, Latin Americans, Jews, homosexuals, leftists, Muslims, other immigrants and atheists. I am not trying to defend/justify the lynching of Blacks, Whites and Catholics by KKK. But, when did KKK lynch/murder "Native" Americans, Jews, Muslins, "Homosexuals" and Athiests? Leftist is a very vague term and Woodrow Wilson was a leftist (by 1910s standards) and his presidenxy played an instrumental role in resurgance of Second Klan. The most popular Black Leader of 1910s-1920s admired KKK. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 25, 2021 11:07:46 GMT
As dishonnest politican, Wallace changed his political sayings to what, he thought, could make him winning the next election he was going for. His "standpoints" were since 1958 pure political opportunism to win elections. In the end, after all his flagchanges, the only thing what is remembered today of Wallace: Wallace was claiming the right of his state for segregation. He used the racist argumentations for decades. (and don't start now a whatsaboutism discussion that the KKK is a humanistic organisation) If somebody uses argumentation and standpoints of an fraction for years, then it is absolutely correct to say: Wallaces was for decades the galorehead of south-state US rassism. - If you want to be seen this way, keep your avatar Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat. I wouldn't quote that KKK stuff, it's making it only more visible. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 25, 2021 11:11:43 GMT
I am not trying to defend/justify the lynching of Blacks, Whites and Catholic immigrants by KKK. But, when did KKK lynch/murder "Native" Americans, Jews, Muslins, "Homosexuals" and Athiests? Leftist is a very vague term and Woodrow Wilson was a leftist (by 1910s standards) and his presidenxy played an instrumental role in resurgance of Second Klan. The most popular Black Leader of 1910s-1920s admired KKK. But I assume you are saying "KKK (or any other organisation) wasn't racist because a black person admired it". |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Dec 25, 2021 11:12:59 GMT
But I assume you are saying "KKK (or any other organisation) wasn't racist because a black person admired it". KKK was not racist, but not because of that particular reason. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 25, 2021 11:16:40 GMT
KKK was not racist, but not because of that particular reason. How about Hitler? Was he antisemitic? |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 25, 2021 16:49:54 GMT
1. KKK (refer to KJV's reply) 2. Nazi Germany (Nuremburg Trials were held for a reason) 3. U.S Slavery (a literal war was fought over it) 4. Apartheid/Segregation (Kept in place after the 14th & 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution) 5. Dreyfus Affair (Anti-Semitism) 6. Jim Crow Laws (goes along with #4, but still) 7. Post-WW1 Germany (They literally blamed Jews for the defeat!) 7 examples of racism, or at the very least targeting a group. It's hard to defend Wallace's actions at the Stand when the 14th and 15th Amendments and his president don't exactly support him. 1. KKK was more of a "Confederate identity" organisation. Nathan Bedford Forrest even said that And 3. That was more for economic reasons. Also, Civil War was fought for a number of reasons State's rights, tussle for political and economic control between planter class and bankers-abolitionists, tarrifs and the list goes on. 4. Neither Apartheid nor Segregation were "racist". They will always tell you that "Blacks"/"Mixed" were not allowed to use public facilities, which were to be used by "Whites", but they will never tell you that "Whites" too were not allowed to use public facilities, which were to be used by "Blacks"/"Mixed" and they will never tell you that "Mixed" too were not allowed to use public facilities, which were meant for "Blacks" and vice versa. 6. The Summary of the rulings under the so called "Jim Crow laws" was basically that as long as they were providing those services to everyone, they could be provided separately to people of different skin complexion. Those laws strictly prohibited denial of services to any individual solely because of color of his/her skin. 2;7. How are those related to skin complexion? 1. Who lynched blacks? Forrest said that because he was a KKK leader, of course he denies the claims. 3. WHAT? I suggest you watch Atun-Shei Films' "Checkmate Lincolnites" series, he made a video just on that (does have 1-2 or so swear words, so watcher beware). States' Rights for what? To keep slavery. Planter class needed what to rival bankers? Slaves! The whole southern economy relied on slaves. 4. Whites weren't naturally using colored facilities because they were bad, have you seen the fountains and the restrooms? Blacks didn't use the White rooms because they were afraid (KKK and public opinion, especially in the South) and Whites didn't use the Colored rooms because they were much worse in quality than the white rooms. 6. And yet, in the South, you saw separation of the classes, lynchings from the public, and lots of horrible things going on for Blacks. racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized That includes the Jews. 2. The SS and Nazis didn't just target Jews, they targeted Romani, the disabled, and the peoples of the Soviet Union, not to mention much more. 5 and 7. Many countries in 19th and 20th century Europe were anti-Semitic. I use 7 as an example because almost an entire country hated a group and blamed them a defeat which they did not do. The Dreyfus Affair was conducted on him solely because he was a Jew. To your later replies: Generally, the K did a lot of things that aren't exactly popular now. Dig deep enough and you will find them. Which leaders? Remember, Wilson was a Southerner! Anti-Semitism - hostility to or prejudice against Jewish people Y' know, Google exists for a reason. |
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Post by Saltin on Dec 26, 2021 0:00:16 GMT
Merry christmas & Happy holidays everyone !
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 26, 2021 0:03:22 GMT
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!
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