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Post by Thimayya on Oct 3, 2021 3:57:43 GMT
I already have Messe, Konev, Rundstedt and Kuznetsov
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 3, 2021 4:19:20 GMT
I already have Messe, Konev, Rundstedt and Kuznetsov Sell Rundstedt and Messe after you have gotten as far as you can. Then get Guderian. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 3, 2021 7:40:37 GMT
I already have Messe, Konev, Rundstedt and Kuznetsov Sell Rundstedt and Messe after you have gotten as far as you can. Then get Guderian. I wouldn't advise to sell Messe, he's really useful for his price. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 3, 2021 16:13:19 GMT
Sell Rundstedt and Messe after you have gotten as far as you can. Then get Guderian. I wouldn't advise to sell Messe, he's really useful for his price. Sure, but he is going to get Guderian. If you give him Rumor, you will already have a better Messe, 2-in-1 package. It also depends on how far he is, like in 1943, he may be worthwhile to keep as an extra naval/air gen, but Guderian can do that too. He also has Kuznetsov. If he's in CW, than it's not worthwhile to keep Messe, you pretty much have to get a better tanker, unless you load up on everything else. If he's in 1939, than it's worthwhile to keep Messe, you are early on and can't easily afford Guderian yet. 66% of the time, Messe will not be desirable, and if you have 3 100+ medal generals, then he's most likely not in 1939. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 3, 2021 16:37:38 GMT
I wouldn't advise to sell Messe, he's really useful for his price. Sure, but he is going to get Guderian. If you give him Rumor, you will already have a better Messe, 2-in-1 package. It also depends on how far he is, like in 1943, he may be worthwhile to keep as an extra naval/air gen, but Guderian can do that too. He also has Kuznetsov. If he's in CW, than it's not worthwhile to keep Messe, you pretty much have to get a better tanker, unless you load up on everything else. If he's in 1939, than it's worthwhile to keep Messe, you are early on and can't easily afford Guderian yet. 66% of the time, Messe will not be desirable, and if you have 3 100+ medal generals, then he's most likely not in 1939. Even in 1943, the extra health, damage and rumour really is worth 550 medals. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 3, 2021 16:44:45 GMT
Sure, but he is going to get Guderian. If you give him Rumor, you will already have a better Messe, 2-in-1 package. It also depends on how far he is, like in 1943, he may be worthwhile to keep as an extra naval/air gen, but Guderian can do that too. He also has Kuznetsov. If he's in CW, than it's not worthwhile to keep Messe, you pretty much have to get a better tanker, unless you load up on everything else. If he's in 1939, than it's worthwhile to keep Messe, you are early on and can't easily afford Guderian yet. 66% of the time, Messe will not be desirable, and if you have 3 100+ medal generals, then he's most likely not in 1939. Even in 1943, the extra health, damage and rumour really is worth 550 medals. The extra HP is covered by Guderian, the damage, demolished by Guderian, and for 120 more medals, you get Rumor on Guderian. 550 medals is a good price, but Kuznetsov and Guderian already cover the bases, and this argument can also be used for saving any general with Rumor. 440 medals will also save a bit of time, and if you choose not to sell Messe, you are just delaying the inevitable. You will need that 440 medals somewhere if you don't want to spend weeks grinding. If you can afford not to sell Messe, don't, that's just unreasonable, but if you can't, sell him. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 3, 2021 16:50:44 GMT
why sell messe when u can spam his rumour skill with a tip i mentioned on another thread, any general with rumour built in is op if ur willing to use my tip to spam his skill
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 3, 2021 17:16:35 GMT
why sell messe when u can spam his rumour skill with a tip i mentioned on another thread, any general with rumour built in is op if ur willing to use my tip to spam his skill That tip takes a hefty does of reaction time and luck. You have to make sure not to get hit while activating a glitch to make sure that your skill can trigger. Just do it the regular way, not opening and closing a campaign to reset attacks. And you will spend a lot of time trying to activate the skill, and triggering Rumor isn't everything. Also, since it's a glitch, ET might patch it in the next update. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 3, 2021 19:23:17 GMT
its not reaction and luck, you should actually try doing it before you comment or dismiss it, it's easy to do and everyone can do it, and it's not really a glitch, it's a game mechanic, i've been using this tip like 4 years ago when i was playing ew4 to trigger assault and defence art, and its still there
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 3, 2021 20:32:11 GMT
its not reaction and luck, you should actually try doing it before you comment or dismiss it, it's easy to do and everyone can do it, and it's not really a glitch, it's a game mechanic, i've been using this tip like 4 years ago when i was playing ew4 to trigger assault and defence art, and its still there A game mechanic? It's not in the tutorial, is it? It is reaction and luck, you have to pay attention if the skill triggers (if 2 skills triggers and you can't see the one you want), and I actually tried it, you have to pay attention and see if that 15% triggers, it would take less time if I had just sucked it up and moved on. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 3, 2021 20:52:28 GMT
with messe its pretty easy because he only has rumour that triggers, also its not that hard to see what rumour skill looks like, u get used to it.
it's a game mechanic, it doesn't have to be part of the tutorial, and its not even a glitch its just a trick, ur using how the game design to make it work
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 3, 2021 22:58:08 GMT
with messe its pretty easy because he only has rumour that triggers, also its not that hard to see what rumour skill looks like, u get used to it. it's a game mechanic, it doesn't have to be part of the tutorial, and its not even a glitch its just a trick, ur using how the game design to make it work It's not a game mechanic if it's a glitch. And define trick. By that do you mean exploiting a game's loopholes? Because that's what a glitch is. I would love to see ET's response to your trick being a game mechanic, because it's not, and I doubt it has been explicitly stated as a game mechanic. Messe being "broken" because of the glitch isn't true at all, you are just wasting time by trying to do something you don't need to. Also, other skills on other generals (Kuznetsov, etc.) can trigger at the same time, making it a bit hard to read if you can't see the icon. Playing WC4 with that glitch will just make it less enjoyable, and if you don't care about that, will waste your time, resetting countless amounts of times for a perfect run does not save time grinding. Saving time grinding is actually doing the grinding. Did you know that you can change your device's time to make missions complete faster? This was patched in GCR and beyond, but in the EW6s and older games, this was still a thing. Now, would you call that a game mechanic if it has been removed from future games? This glitch has also been patched in GOG3, which means that is wasn't an intended function. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 4, 2021 5:21:24 GMT
like i said, i've been using this trick 4 years ago with ew4, and it works for all easytech games i played like wc3, ew6, 1914. it doesn't make it less enjoyable, for enemies that are super hard, triggering rumour several times to make them confused makes them much easier to deal with, not hard to understand, i'm not cheating or hacking, just exploiting game mechanic
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 4, 2021 12:23:38 GMT
like i said, i've been using this trick 4 years ago with ew4, and it works for all easytech games i played like wc3, ew6, 1914. it doesn't make it less enjoyable, for enemies that are super hard, triggering rumour several times to make them confused makes them much easier to deal with, not hard to understand, i'm not cheating or hacking, just exploiting game mechanic That's what a glitch is, you aren't exploiting a game mechanic, you are cheating to do something in your favor. The only reason I see this being actually useable is in Destination Berlin, or other campaigns like it if you haven't gotten to CW yet. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 4, 2021 13:36:30 GMT
i've literally used this in 1943 conquest with germany which has lots of generals with skills that trigger, and it works easy, if you want to shoot an enemy artillery/heavy tank with general and not get hit back, you can, if you want to trigger fatal damage, you can, everything is possible, it makes missions that u've been stuck on easier
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