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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Oct 12, 2021 16:09:11 GMT
nimitz and leeb are those kind of generals which are the 2nd best in their category but they are not needed so buying them for endgame is not worth it, only if a player is struggling with navy missions or land missions early on, then they buy leeb or nimitz Who will be 2nd artillery general, if not leeb? |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 12, 2021 16:17:47 GMT
Who will be 2nd artillery general, if not leeb? I think Leeb is very helpful (if he isn't necessary) simply because of his damage output. Even without upgrading he can still dish out 90+ damage on a single howitzer, so I use him as my 2nd artillery general. I haven't upgraded him at all besides getting him a red nameplate though, since I haven't really needed him up to this point (I'm gonna try to max out Rommel and Konev first) Some people might prefer Govorov for his extra artillery star, but his skills are worse (not bad skills, just not as good as Leeb). |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 12, 2021 16:57:01 GMT
Who will be 2nd artillery general, if not leeb? He hasn't seen the exercise in the Strait of Gibraltar yet |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 12, 2021 17:19:34 GMT
He hasn't seen the exercise in the Strait of Gibraltar yet Not even that, you probably can't even beat UN normal 1 without 2 artillery generals (unless you have 5 tank generals or something) |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 12, 2021 17:59:52 GMT
nimitz and leeb are those kind of generals which are the 2nd best in their category but they are not needed so buying them for endgame is not worth it, only if a player is struggling with navy missions or land missions early on, then they buy leeb or nimitz rn i have nimitz. i just bought him to help me in the navy. Nimitz can actually be 1,200 health in double stacked cruiser. its work to get him once u complete his missions the thing is ships have lots of health, much more than land units and donitz is the only one with wolfpack which massively increases surrounding ships damage - super useful for navy when you have to deal lots of damage. Also it's much easier to keep ships together to get the wolfpack buff unlike on land where there might be landmines, strongholds in the way, nimitz is just not worth it at all because no wolfpack. all the other navy skills other than wolfpack and fatal damage is not useful for navy. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 12, 2021 18:03:22 GMT
He hasn't seen the exercise in the Strait of Gibraltar yet Not even that, you probably can't even beat UN normal 1 without 2 artillery generals (unless you have 5 tank generals or something) i have konev and although he deals high damage, he just isn't as useful as any of the top tank generals. Tanks have so many more advantages over artillery its a joke, artillery is so weak compared to tanks. Tanks can hit again after killing so someone like guderian, manstein or rommel can clear 4-5 enemies easily if you choose to s/l to trigger fatal damage, and they are amazing at taking cities alone, artillery can't do that. this might be an unpopular opinion but spending medals on 2nd artillery is a complete waste, if people are struggling early on and need a general after messe, get vatuin not leeb. tanks have a lot more health and armour than artillery and with blitzkreig they have the same non-retaliation skill as artillery so artillery isn't unique in any way. Artillery units are useful but buying generals isn't because blitzkreig exists |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 12, 2021 18:08:29 GMT
He hasn't seen the exercise in the Strait of Gibraltar yet Not even that, you probably can't even beat UN normal 1 without 2 artillery generals (unless you have 5 tank generals or something) You still can beat UN 1 with 5 or 4 tanks with 1 arty, and 1 navy. I saw someone here beat all UN campaign with all fully upgraded bronze gen. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 12, 2021 18:15:55 GMT
He hasn't seen the exercise in the Strait of Gibraltar yet Not even that, you probably can't even beat UN normal 1 without 2 artillery generals (unless you have 5 tank generals or something) Well, I completed all UN scenarios normal and hard without a second arty general. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 12, 2021 19:05:50 GMT
Well, I completed all UN scenarios normal and hard without a second arty general. Oh, nvm, I guess I'm just bad at the game lol. But I do recall not really needing Leeb to beat the levels themselves, I just found him useful for trying to get 3 stars |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 12, 2021 19:30:06 GMT
Oh, nvm, I guess I'm just bad at the game lol. But I do recall not really needing Leeb to beat the levels themselves, I just found him useful for trying to get 3 stars It's just different play style of yours. Leeb is useful indeed. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 12, 2021 20:03:59 GMT
Well, I completed all UN scenarios normal and hard without a second arty general. Oh, nvm, I guess I'm just bad at the game lol. But I do recall not really needing Leeb to beat the levels themselves, I just found him useful for trying to get 3 stars how is leeb useful? i'm sorry but even weaker tank generals are more useful than him. Like i would rather have vatuin than konev because he provides more firepower. If scenarios gives you 4 tanks instead of 3 tanks + 2 artilery, you will get more firepower from 4 tank generals. As generals, konev and leeb are strong but in battle they are not amazing |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 12, 2021 20:19:09 GMT
how is leeb useful? i'm sorry but even weaker tank generals are more useful than him. Like i would rather have vatuin than konev because he provides more firepower. If scenarios gives you 4 tanks instead of 3 tanks + 2 artilery, you will get more firepower from 4 tank generals. As generals, konev and leeb are strong but in battle they are not amazing Leeb is a lot cheaper than Vatutin, and even though IN GENERAL tanks are better than artilleries, artillery generals can still pack quite a punch due to their non-retaliation (which doesn't require a skill, so it frees up a skill spot) and splash damage. I've used Vatutin in the past and while I will agree that his damage output is SLIGHTLY greater than Leeb's (by 10-ish) Vatutin has extremely low survivability, so Leeb ends up doing more damage overall. I don't think artillery generals are supposed to be used purely for attacking anyway, they're more useful for stun-locking enemy generals (which tank generals aren't as good at, especially in Modern War) and getting rid of cannon fodder troops so your tank generals don't take unnecessary damage or get slowed down. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 12, 2021 21:14:25 GMT
artillery units are useful, probably just as useful as tank units because they don't get hit back, but artillery generals on the other hand are much weaker than tank generals because tank generals gets blitzkreig and have high enough damage to 1 shot many enemies so can keep firing.
u say artillery can stun lock (apply rumour) without retalation but so can tank generals with blitzkreig so there is nothing special about artillery generals. at the end of the day blitzkreig makes artillery generals obsolete. without generals, artillery > tanks, that is why everyone spam artillery in missions because they can hit without getting hit back unlike tanks
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