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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 8, 2021 7:14:45 GMT
You saw the title, this is my Top 10 of Napoleon's 26 marshals, 26 of the best generals France has to offer.
1. Davout 2. Berthier 2. Lannes 3. Suchet 3. Massena 4. Ney 4. Murat 5. Soult 6. Bernadotte 7. Saint-cyr I have a lot of explanations on why Berthier, Suchet, Bernadotte and St-Cyr is higher than what most people would rank. I am actually writing a reason why Berthier is underrated before this, but then I realized my wording is poor and I need to do some more research. The rankings might change over time.
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 8, 2021 7:15:58 GMT
I am actually making a proper table to rank Napoleon's each marshal based on their tactical, strategical, organizational, administrative and inspirational abilities, it will take some time though. You can freely state your opinions on my Top 10 and suggestions for the table. I love how I still have school but no, this is more important.
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Post by MaximusOptimus on Nov 8, 2021 9:04:23 GMT
Berthier and Bernadotte were good Chiefs of Staff and not really good at independent command These signs are shown in multiple battles for Bernadotte Including the Battles of Wagram and Auersdedt
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 8, 2021 9:56:33 GMT
Yes, berthier is not that good at independent command, But as Napoleon's chief of staff, he performed excellently. I personally think that berthier not being at waterloo is more disastrous than davout not being at waterloo. Bernadotte, however, is more complicated. I feel like Bernadotte's greatness started in 1813 in which he was no longer a marshal, so that may erase him from that list.
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Post by stoic on Nov 8, 2021 11:03:46 GMT
It is interesting to know how Napoleon himself evaluated his marshals in monetary terms: "The top four marshals – Berthier with 1 million francs, Masséna 933,000 francs, Davout 817,000 francs and Ney 729,000 francs – received over half the total of 6 million francs. The next four – Soult, Bessières, Lannes and Bernadotte – got between 200,000 and 300,000 francs each. All the rest received less than 200,000 francs, with Saint-Cyr, whom Napoleon respected as a soldier but couldn’t warm to as a man, getting only 30,211 francs" A. Roberts "Napoleon" Here is the best, imo, and fairly objective ranking of all Napoleon's marshals It is a long video though, you have to be a real fan of Napoleonic wars to get through this
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 8, 2021 11:16:34 GMT
It is interesting to know how Napoleon himself evaluated his marshals in monetary terms: "The top four marshals – Berthier with 1 million francs, Masséna 933,000 francs, Davout 817,000 francs and Ney 729,000 francs – received over half the total of 6 million francs. The next four – Soult, Bessières, Lannes and Bernadotte – got between 200,000 and 300,000 francs each. All the rest received less than 200,000 francs, with Saint-Cyr, whom Napoleon respected as a soldier but couldn’t warm to as a man, getting only 30,211 francs" A. Roberts "Napoleon" Here is the best, imo, and fairly objective ranking of all Napoleon's marshals It is a long video though, you have to be a real fan of Napoleonic wars to get through this Am i really a napoleonic wars enthusiast of the internet if I haven't watched EPIC HISTORY TV?
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Post by stoic on Nov 8, 2021 11:18:30 GMT
It is interesting to know how Napoleon himself evaluated his marshals in monetary terms: "The top four marshals – Berthier with 1 million francs, Masséna 933,000 francs, Davout 817,000 francs and Ney 729,000 francs – received over half the total of 6 million francs. The next four – Soult, Bessières, Lannes and Bernadotte – got between 200,000 and 300,000 francs each. All the rest received less than 200,000 francs, with Saint-Cyr, whom Napoleon respected as a soldier but couldn’t warm to as a man, getting only 30,211 francs" A. Roberts "Napoleon" Here is the best, imo, and fairly objective ranking of all Napoleon's marshals It is a long video though, you have to be a real fan of Napoleonic wars to get through this Am i really a napoleonic wars enthusiast of the internet if I haven't watched EPIC HISTORY TV? I assume it is a rhetorical question, isn't it ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 11:49:11 GMT
It is interesting to know how Napoleon himself evaluated his marshals in monetary terms: "The top four marshals – Berthier with 1 million francs, Masséna 933,000 francs, Davout 817,000 francs and Ney 729,000 francs – received over half the total of 6 million francs. The next four – Soult, Bessières, Lannes and Bernadotte – got between 200,000 and 300,000 francs each. All the rest received less than 200,000 francs, with Saint-Cyr, whom Napoleon respected as a soldier but couldn’t warm to as a man, getting only 30,211 francs" A. Roberts "Napoleon" Here is the best, imo, and fairly objective ranking of all Napoleon's marshals It is a long video though, you have to be a real fan of Napoleonic wars to get through this Can't listen to Beethoven's Egmont Overture without hearing " Terror beli, Decus Pacis..." in my head thanks to the video.
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 8, 2021 12:33:03 GMT
It is interesting to know how Napoleon himself evaluated his marshals in monetary terms: "The top four marshals – Berthier with 1 million francs, Masséna 933,000 francs, Davout 817,000 francs and Ney 729,000 francs – received over half the total of 6 million francs. The next four – Soult, Bessières, Lannes and Bernadotte – got between 200,000 and 300,000 francs each. All the rest received less than 200,000 francs, with Saint-Cyr, whom Napoleon respected as a soldier but couldn’t warm to as a man, getting only 30,211 francs" A. Roberts "Napoleon" Here is the best, imo, and fairly objective ranking of all Napoleon's marshals It is a long video though, you have to be a real fan of Napoleonic wars to get through this Can't listen to Beethoven's Egmont Overture without hearing " Terror beli, Decus Pacis..." in my head thanks to the video. Terror in war, ornament in peace
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 8, 2021 12:42:22 GMT
Am i really a napoleonic wars enthusiast of the internet if I haven't watched EPIC HISTORY TV? I assume it is a rhetorical question, isn't it ? Yes
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 8, 2021 14:18:56 GMT
Berthier and Bernadotte were good Chiefs of Staff and not really good at independent command These signs are shown in multiple battles for Bernadotte Including the Battles of Wagram and Auersdedt Woahh marshall zappius, I didn't know you were also Filipino. I saw you mentioned it in the Best school lunch in this poll thread
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Post by John Marston on Nov 8, 2021 15:47:18 GMT
You saw the title, this is my Top 10 of Napoleon's 26 marshals, 26 of the best generals France has to offer. 1. Davout 2. Berthier 2. Lannes 3. Suchet 3. Massena 4. Ney 4. Murat 5. Soult 6. Bernadotte 7. Saint-cyr I have a lot of explanations on why Berthier, Suchet, Bernadotte and St-Cyr is higher than what most people would rank. I am actually writing a reason why Berthier is underrated before this, but then I realized my wording is poor and I need to do some more research. The rankings might change over time. Now now, why don't such threads come up when I was Napoleon? I think Massena should be tied or even higher than Suchet. He successfully led the ragged Army of Italy and the defence of Genoa was great. Maybe even Ney, but he wasn't as good as planning as he was in executing. Also, I think Soult should maybeeee be above Murat. Oudinot was also brilliant, especially in the later stages of the war. He should be tied with Saint-Cyr I think. Any thoughts on Eugene? (I don't think he was a marshal, but was a 'good' (Just good) commander).
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 9, 2021 1:16:39 GMT
You saw the title, this is my Top 10 of Napoleon's 26 marshals, 26 of the best generals France has to offer. 1. Davout 2. Berthier 2. Lannes 3. Suchet 3. Massena 4. Ney 4. Murat 5. Soult 6. Bernadotte 7. Saint-cyr I have a lot of explanations on why Berthier, Suchet, Bernadotte and St-Cyr is higher than what most people would rank. I am actually writing a reason why Berthier is underrated before this, but then I realized my wording is poor and I need to do some more research. The rankings might change over time. Now now, why don't such threads come up when I was Napoleon? I think Massena should be tied or even higher than Suchet. He successfully led the ragged Army of Italy and the defence of Genoa was great. Maybe even Ney, but he wasn't as good as planning as he was in executing. Also, I think Soult should maybeeee be above Murat. Oudinot was also brilliant, especially in the later stages of the war. He should be tied with Saint-Cyr I think. Any thoughts on Eugene? (I don't think he was a marshal, but was a 'good' (Just good) commander). Yes, massena is tied with suchet. Idk who is higher, massena performed well in italy while suchet performed well in catalonia. I am thinking to rank soult higher than ney and murat because of his great performance is spain and the decent defense of the pyrenees. Don't get me wrong, ney and murat are epic commanders, but bravery tends to turn into stupidity. Oudinot also does some good stuff and most famously getting wounded more than 20 times im not quite sure about the number. As for eugene, he was the only product of Napoleon's nepotism that actually turned out to be good at the battlefield.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Nov 9, 2021 18:37:48 GMT
My personal favorite person was b far St. Cyr, he was a boss, but in terms of battlefield capability, I think the answer is obvious: Either Davout or Soult.
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Post by thethethe08 on Nov 10, 2021 2:57:29 GMT
My personal favorite person was b far St. Cyr, he was a boss, but in terms of battlefield capability, I think the answer is obvious: Either Davout or Soult. St cyr is Napoleon's best when it comes to defending. I agree, davout and soult are great for the offensive. Davout also has some defending capabilities as seen at auerstedt.
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