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Post by Thortilla on Dec 17, 2021 20:57:20 GMT
Thortilla , our forces still outnumber you 2:1  , so we take advantage of a massive artillery barrage with all our 100 cannons and charge towards the crumbled defence line. While you're troops are busy at Barcelona, we send 40,000 soldiers from Morocco to Cádiz. The Heavy Artillery shoot at the port destroying it. killing, drowning or hurting the enemy. Now the enemy can only disanbark in the Beach. where 40k well-covered soldiers and the light artillery are waiting (shooting) for them while they run 67 meters (the beach measures 89 but the trenches are more or less halfway there) We send our 25k Calvary Units and 50k Infantry units in Lugo to defend Cadiz. Sadly the Mediterranean line isn’t prepared at the south. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 17, 2021 21:06:16 GMT
Thortilla , our forces still outnumber you 2:1 , so we take advantage of a massive artillery barrage with all our 100 cannons and charge towards the crumbled defence line. While you're troops are busy at Barcelona, we send 40,000 soldiers from Morocco to Cádiz. The Heavy Artillery shoot at the port destroying it. killing, drowning or hurting the enemy. Now the enemy can only disanbark in the Beach. where 40k well-covered soldiers and the light artillery are waiting (shooting) for them while they run 67 meters (the beach measures 89 but the trenches are more or less halfway there) We send our 25k Calvary Units and 50k Infantry units in Lugo to defend Cadiz. Sadly the Mediterranean line isn’t prepared at the south. Your artillery's fire is greatly hampered by oyr superior numbers of cannons. Heavy casualties are inflicted on both sides for sure, and surely more to us. Anyways our 300,000 soldiers continue moving on the beach, covered by the artillery and taking advantage of their massive numerical superiority on the beach head (30:4, I suppose) they start advancing towards the city. |
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 17, 2021 21:26:47 GMT
The Heavy Artillery shoot at the port destroying it. killing, drowning or hurting the enemy. Now the enemy can only disanbark in the Beach. where 40k well-covered soldiers and the light artillery are waiting (shooting) for them while they run 67 meters (the beach measures 89 but the trenches are more or less halfway there) We send our 25k Calvary Units and 50k Infantry units in Lugo to defend Cadiz. Sadly the Mediterranean line isn’t prepared at the south. Your artillery's fire is greatly hampered by oyr superior numbers of cannons. Heavy casualties are inflicted on both sides for sure, and surely more to us. Anyways our 300,000 soldiers continue moving on the beach, covered by the artillery and taking advantage of their massive numerical superiority on the beach head (30:4, I suppose) they start advancing towards the city. What a bad move….. as it will happen in a war that comes in 158 years. trenches are too vertical for enemy artillery to pass. The 40k Soldiers Stop shooting when the firsts enemies start reaching the Trenches so they retire to the city. Now the 140k units are United and use the barricades to shoot the enemy. The Artillery Don’t attack the Trenches because that can allow the Enemy Artillery to pass so only the soldiers start shooting at the enemy.(btw we have the highground so we can shoot at the trenches) The Spanish Fleet Goes towards the Baleáric Sea and and blocks it. Cutting enemy supplies line. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 17, 2021 21:43:02 GMT
Your artillery's fire is greatly hampered by oyr superior numbers of cannons. Heavy casualties are inflicted on both sides for sure, and surely more to us. Anyways our 300,000 soldiers continue moving on the beach, covered by the artillery and taking advantage of their massive numerical superiority on the beach head (30:4, I suppose) they start advancing towards the city. What a bad move….. as it will happen in a war that comes in 158 years. trenches are too vertical for enemy artillery to pass. The 40k Soldiers Stop shooting when the firsts enemies start reaching the Trenches so they retire to the city. Now the 140k units are United and use the barricades to shoot the enemy. The Artillery Don’t attack the Trenches because that can allow the Enemy Artillery to pass so only the soldiers start shooting at the enemy.(btw we have the highground so we can shoot at the trenches) The Spanish Fleet Goes towards the Baleáric Sea and and blocks it. Cutting enemy supplies line. Our artillery doesn't have to cross the trenches they can shoot from behind them. Also, two things aren't trenches a bit too op if they can neutralise an over 2:1 superiority in numbers, not to mention 30:4 especially considering machine guns and trench warfare adopted over 100 years later and isn't blocking the whole Balearic sea a bit op too? Our navy and the artillery start ankther hellish barrage on the Spanish. Many who weren't hit are crushed under falling buildings. As the enemy is demorslised and unable to fire effectively under the barricade, the Ottoman troops storm the trenches, which will serve as a grave for many of them... |
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 17, 2021 22:29:44 GMT
What a bad move….. as it will happen in a war that comes in 158 years. trenches are too vertical for enemy artillery to pass. The 40k Soldiers Stop shooting when the firsts enemies start reaching the Trenches so they retire to the city. Now the 140k units are United and use the barricades to shoot the enemy. The Artillery Don’t attack the Trenches because that can allow the Enemy Artillery to pass so only the soldiers start shooting at the enemy.(btw we have the highground so we can shoot at the trenches) The Spanish Fleet Goes towards the Baleáric Sea and and blocks it. Cutting enemy supplies line. Our artillery doesn't have to cross the trenches they can shoot from behind them. Also, two things aren't trenches a bit too op if they can neutralise an over 2:1 superiority in numbers, not to mention 30:4 especially considering machine guns and trench warfare adopted over 100 years later and isn't blocking the whole Balearic sea a bit op too? Our navy and the artillery start ankther hellish barrage on the Spanish. Many who weren't hit are crushed under falling buildings. As the enemy is demorslised and unable to fire effectively under the barricade, the Ottoman troops storm the trenches, which will serve as a grave for many of them... 1: the Idea is that the enemy can’t pass into the city. Not to evítate an artillery attack 2: It’s a Trench men. I can’t do much :/ 3: 30:4? What exactly? 4:the Balearic Sea is surrounded by my territory and I am only blocking Your Supplies towards Cataluña 5:How can your boats shoot targets that are more than 100 meters away? (the width of the beach + that a large ship cannot get close to the beach for obvious reasons.) anyways.. the Ottomans covered us trying to kill us. only footsteps and sounds of artillery are heard behind the rubble. the Spanish reorganize from the Ottoman Attack. The Captain raises morale saying that they have the advantage of not having been blown up in a port, run 100 meters while being bombed and shot I will continue tomorrow |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 17, 2021 22:42:55 GMT
Our artillery doesn't have to cross the trenches they can shoot from behind them. Also, two things aren't trenches a bit too op if they can neutralise an over 2:1 superiority in numbers, not to mention 30:4 especially considering machine guns and trench warfare adopted over 100 years later and isn't blocking the whole Balearic sea a bit op too? Our navy and the artillery start ankther hellish barrage on the Spanish. Many who weren't hit are crushed under falling buildings. As the enemy is demorslised and unable to fire effectively under the barricade, the Ottoman troops storm the trenches, which will serve as a grave for many of them... 1: the Idea is that the enemy can’t pass into the city. Not to evítate an artillery attack 2: It’s a Trench men. I can’t do much :/ 3: 30:4? What exactly? 4:the Balearic Sea is surrounded by my territory and I am only blocking Your Supplies towards Cataluña 5:How can your boats shoot targets that are more than 100 meters away? (the width of the beach + that a large ship cannot get close to the beach for obvious reasons.) anyways.. the Ottomans covered us trying to kill us. only footsteps and sounds of artillery are heard behind the rubble. the Spanish reorganize from the Ottoman Attack. The Captain raises morale saying that they have the advantage of not having been blown up in a port, run 100 meters while being bombed and shot I will continue tomorrow 1., 2. I know what trenches can do, but when trenches weren't even used back in the 18th century, I think the whole RP loses its point when any kind of breakthrough requires atleast a 3:1 advantage in numbers, it will just become static. 4. That is still a very big area to block all kinds of supplies, I understand the strait of Gibraltar. 5. Why couldn't they, their cannons can easily shoot 100 meters. If there are ports in the city, hiw can't ships get near the coast? 6. How can I be blown up in a port when your troops survive a double the size artillery barrage with little casualties? You are on the defencive, but the same was in Mostaganem for example, where you could just advance to the city with a smaller advantage in numbers. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 17, 2021 23:17:21 GMT
Our artillery doesn't have to cross the trenches they can shoot from behind them. Also, two things aren't trenches a bit too op if they can neutralise an over 2:1 superiority in numbers, not to mention 30:4 especially considering machine guns and trench warfare adopted over 100 years later and isn't blocking the whole Balearic sea a bit op too? Our navy and the artillery start ankther hellish barrage on the Spanish. Many who weren't hit are crushed under falling buildings. As the enemy is demorslised and unable to fire effectively under the barricade, the Ottoman troops storm the trenches, which will serve as a grave for many of them... 1: the Idea is that the enemy can’t pass into the city. Not to evítate an artillery attack 2: It’s a Trench men. I can’t do much :/ 3: 30:4? What exactly? 4:the Balearic Sea is surrounded by my territory and I am only blocking Your Supplies towards Cataluña 5:How can your boats shoot targets that are more than 100 meters away? (the width of the beach + that a large ship cannot get close to the beach for obvious reasons.) anyways.. the Ottomans covered us trying to kill us. only footsteps and sounds of artillery are heard behind the rubble. the Spanish reorganize from the Ottoman Attack. The Captain raises morale saying that they have the advantage of not having been blown up in a port, run 100 meters while being bombed and shot I will continue tomorrow The general commanding the attack orders a halt to the advance and instead the soldiers take cover of what they've got and shoot the enemy, also the artillery barrage continues inflicting more casualties on the enemy. "We will take them to the grave with us!" |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 17, 2021 23:18:27 GMT
Only for Captain and Darth Revan_I'm fighting the biggest battle in the whole RP and another attack on mainland Spain would be super helpful. |
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 18, 2021 2:08:18 GMT
1: the Idea is that the enemy can’t pass into the city. Not to evítate an artillery attack 2: It’s a Trench men. I can’t do much :/ 3: 30:4? What exactly? 4:the Balearic Sea is surrounded by my territory and I am only blocking Your Supplies towards Cataluña 5:How can your boats shoot targets that are more than 100 meters away? (the width of the beach + that a large ship cannot get close to the beach for obvious reasons.) anyways.. the Ottomans covered us trying to kill us. only footsteps and sounds of artillery are heard behind the rubble. the Spanish reorganize from the Ottoman Attack. The Captain raises morale saying that they have the advantage of not having been blown up in a port, run 100 meters while being bombed and shot I will continue tomorrow 1., 2. I know what trenches can do, but when trenches weren't even used back in the 18th century, I think the whole RP loses its point when any kind of breakthrough requires atleast a 3:1 advantage in numbers, it will just become static. 4. That is still a very big area to block all kinds of supplies, I understand the strait of Gibraltar. 5. Why couldn't they, their cannons can easily shoot 100 meters. If there are ports in the city, hiw can't ships get near the coast? 6. How can I be blown up in a port when your troops survive a double the size artillery barrage with little casualties? You are on the defencive, but the same was in Mostaganem for example, where you could just advance to the city with a smaller advantage in numbers. 1: even the Romans used trenches. : / 4:I mean technically I am only blocking the supplies towards Barcelona. 5:a ship cannot get close to shore because it gets stuck in the sand. it needs to be in a fairly deep place. 6:
6.1:The Port that is blow up is the Barcelona Port (at the start of the battle I was just recapping. 6.2:Well, if your troops attacked in a segmented way instead of making a defense line, I can enter the city. and he always said that the traced path would be completed only in case the enemy does not attack: / |
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 18, 2021 2:11:47 GMT
1: the Idea is that the enemy can’t pass into the city. Not to evítate an artillery attack 2: It’s a Trench men. I can’t do much :/ 3: 30:4? What exactly? 4:the Balearic Sea is surrounded by my territory and I am only blocking Your Supplies towards Cataluña 5:How can your boats shoot targets that are more than 100 meters away? (the width of the beach + that a large ship cannot get close to the beach for obvious reasons.) anyways.. the Ottomans covered us trying to kill us. only footsteps and sounds of artillery are heard behind the rubble. the Spanish reorganize from the Ottoman Attack. The Captain raises morale saying that they have the advantage of not having been blown up in a port, run 100 meters while being bombed and shot I will continue tomorrow The general commanding the attack orders a halt to the advance and instead the soldiers take cover of what they've got and shoot the enemy, also the artillery barrage continues inflicting more casualties on the enemy. "We will take them to the grave with us!" Wut? Oh sorry I just see my previous post. I was about to say that my troops were withdrawing from the coast taking advantage of the fact that the debris that prevented them from shooting at the enemies also prevents the enemies from shooting at them. Sorry I don’t complete the previous post because I need to go :/ anyways I will do it now. |
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Post by Captain on Dec 18, 2021 6:13:31 GMT
Only for Captain and Darth Revan_I'm fighting the biggest battle in the whole RP and another attack on mainland Spain would be super helpful. Only for Eugene V. Debs, Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, Darth Revan_
My exams ended finally...
Can you remind me the current position of our troops? How much of France had been conquered by our alliance?
I had aslo sended my troops on Dunkirk(12k troops with 3 HA, 5LA), Lille(21HA,30LA) & Reims(20k troops with 34HA,45LA) on page 50 to 56... So please determine mine current positions also
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 18, 2021 17:41:45 GMT
Thortilla, Ceuta will be captured if you don't defend it.
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Dec 18, 2021 18:00:09 GMT
As you say every attack if it don’t get answer is do it so your army gets crushed. Ok no. You can answer when we clarify this. 1:What kind of guerilla tactic kills my supply lines? and worse with only 10k units. (Btw the Attack of the ottomans start after I finish writing so I can’t do much) 2:I repeat there is not a single Belgian / Netherlands soldier. it is not a modern army. at most only the Captain / Major of the army can know geography. 3:ok 4:Yes the attack started in the nearest big city, what was going to start the aggression. but apparently your army with interdimensional travel was already there. So my army stop in the border. 5:the border treaty ended badly for the Austrians. Here's what it says on the wiki page: "The Austrians were reluctant to pay for forts they did not control, and the forts were quickly overrun when the War of the Austrian Succession began in 1740. 6:uk 7:ek. 8: About your mobilization: This mobilization would have the same political respect that tomorrow France will mobilize its entire Army through the European Union. In matters of religion, it would have the same respect as Pope Francis, who declares himself gay and marries an Islamist priest. in imperial affairs it would have the same respect as the United Kingdom raising taxes on the Thirteen Colonies. I would have the same ... well, it was understood.(forget about this point because you have already defeated Prussia so technically this does not matter since there is no other power that questions your hegemony) about Your army: Have I give you an example: Britain, Prussia and Qing. they attacked the Philippines. At that time I had almost 200k reserve units and I was able to defend the Philippines with all those troops but it would not be fair for the other "players". Another example is that I did not send 150k soldiers to defend A Coruna. I could have defended it with my units in Catalonia, but they are on the other side of the country. Another thing is that my country is only Spanish so I can't recruit Filipinos. After looking at your old posts I saw that you don't put in which city your troops are recruited. so let's base ourselves on your auxiliary population ... wait is not specified ... well 62k others. which means that at most you have 62k Troops there. and let me put you a Real Life Example: all the mobilized or recruited army must have orders ... and yours did not receive any to go to the Netherlands.  1. Thortilla, first, as I wrote earlier, guerrillas have no function for now because war is on the border. As for your question: but if you go inside the Austrian Netherlands borders our guerillas can harass and plunder your supply lines (or supply convoy. I'm not sure which is the right word lol.) and sometimes temporarily stop your supply, (also they can take advantage of geography and lurk in nature). So they are a precaution for the future, not about the war on the border. Probably because they are numerically disadvantaged they can't hold it for very long and they die, but at least they will definitely create problems/delays in your army, waste your time and create some turmoil among your soldiers. But most importantly, why would it be a problem if they were outnumbered? It wouldn't be a problem, because one of the uses of guerrillas is to wear out armies which has numerical superiority (and harassing supply lines is just one of the ways). You can use guerrillas to inflict any type of damage on the enemy even though you are numerically disadvantaged (plus, guerilla warfare is a type asymmetric warfare, so numerical unequality is its meaning anyway). An example quote about that: "Guerrilla warfare is a type of asymmetric warfare: competition between opponents of unequal strength. It is also a type of irregular warfare: that is, it aims not simply to defeat an enemy, but to win popular support and political influence, to the enemy's cost. Accordingly, guerrilla strategy aims to magnify the impact of a small, mobile force on a larger, more-cumbersome one. If successful, guerrillas weaken their enemy by attrition, eventually forcing them to withdraw." Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare, in the first paragraph of the Strategy part. Also, actually the Ottoman army were in France for a long time before you sent your troops to France, what they did and is doing after you came was just to continue to advance/expand further in France. 2. Yes, and it's enough for them to even know. They can incorporate geography knowledge into their plans and benefit from it. 5. First, the treaty has not ended yet, in 1781 Austria void it voluntarily. So the treaty was still continue and in place during the Seven Years' War and during this RP, also the fortresses are solid and active. As for the quote, yes they didn't work in the War of the Austrian Succession. But, the following is the quote: "The Austrians were reluctant to pay for fortresses they did not control, and the fortresses were quickly overrun when the War of the Austrian Succession began in 1740. After Austria allied with France in 1756, the Barrier became irrelevant." So the fortresses were still intact and active after the War of the Austrian Succession and could be used if necessary. Although Austria and France were allied in 1756, the fortresses, although they are still intact, were not used in a war for a while, since the most important construction purpose of them was against the threat of France's invasion of the Austrian Netherlands in a possible war (also, therefore they were generally oriented towards France). So the reasons why the fortresses were not used was not because they were destroyed, the reasons is because there was no opportunity to use them. But in this RP, France and you are my enemies, and you are attacking there now via France so (if the battle approaches the fortresses) I would have reason to use them. And since they are still intact, I have no reason not to use them. 8. (and 4.) Okay, I agree. Then, we currently have no soldiers (or no any guerrilla) in the Austrian Netherlands. Since the situation has been clarified now, you can continue the attack if you want. By the way, as for the soldiers I newly sent in my previous post to Austrian Netherlands, we were still arguing and stopped the war when I sent them, so it would be unfair that I could now use them in the Austrian Netherlands (as I didn't have any soldiers there when you started the attack. You didn't continue your attack because we were still arguing and we have agree on stop the war at the time while the ones I sent were still on the way). So for these reasons I will void this move.  |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Dec 18, 2021 21:40:55 GMT
 Thortilla, I think it's realistic that you can block supplies soutb of Barcelona, because of the Balears (yellow line), but to block all supplies you would also have to block the red line, which I think is unrealistic when our navies aren't even specified. |
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 19, 2021 1:47:17 GMT
Thortilla , I think it's realistic that you can block supplies soutb of Barcelona, because of the Balears (yellow line), but to block all supplies you would also have to block the red line, which I think is unrealistic when our navies aren't even specified. Men I don’t need to block all that to block Barcelona. Using the same logic: instead of you needing to block this:  you will need to block all of this:  to block barcelona I can do any of these options (and the naval thing ... you bombarded my troops with your naval (more than 100 by the way) and it is not defined:/ :  and other thing I remember you that I have all my territory surrounding the Balearic Sea and your most near territory isn’t even in the Leon Golf. It's like I forbid you to block Antalya or Beirut or Tronuk or Cyprus etc because I have Crete:  btw I think we are discussing too much… |
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, so we take advantage of a massive artillery barrage with all our 100 cannons and charge towards the crumbled defence line. While you're troops are busy at Barcelona, we send 40,000 soldiers from Morocco to Cádiz.
