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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 17:18:30 GMT
you forgot Cat. noo sorry you have her
but she was called great in history like peter.the 2 greatest tsars of tsar russia
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 22:57:11 GMT
I thought it was x2,so 40. But i checked with Suri. If it was twice, then i should be getting full rage at 3 hits. 40x3=120. But, after 3 kills, Suri doesn't get full rage. So, assuming the 20 rage per hit and 100 guage is correct, then my guess is that it's 1.5x. So 30 rage per kill. If this is true,that means a unit with the Paladin set should reach max rage at 3 kills. Tested with Attila, he got max rage at 3 kills. But to be absolutely sure, we need a general with 10 initial rage to know that the value is at least 1.5x(although it is possible it's lower as the value's round up, but i doubt Easytech would deliberately use anything that's not 1.5x, as you know, 1.5x value looks "better" than a value like 1.37x). My alex isn't 40,so i got Bismarck for the job instead. And yes, he got full rage at 3 kills. So we can safely assume that kills give 1.5x rage (30 rage). So a gen without rage regen bonus would get 20 rage with a non-kill hit and 30 rage with a kill? But I see that gens usually need 6 non-kill hits to fill their rage bar Yup, i even did that with Attila and he needed 6. We get 5 bars, and 1 bar is 20, so all 5 is 100. Looked at Bismarck with his 10, and it didn't fill 1 bar. That's confusing. I'm dragging my feet on this, hoping someone has knows it or there's a thread on it already. Bismarck needed 6 non hit kills, and so does Attila. Bismarck hitting a unit with initial 10 rage fills 1 bar. Second hit fills 2 bars. Suri hitting a unit with no initial rage doesn't fill 1 bar. So what we know that is concrete: 1 bar is 20 rage 5 bars is 100
Generals with no initial rage needs 2 hits to fill 1 bar,so it's safe to assume that rage regen per hit is below 20, but not lower than 10(or rounds up to 10)
Generals with 10 initial rage needs 1 hit. Therefore,it's safe to assume the rage per hit is 10(or a lower number that rounds up to 10) or higher.
Bismarck with 10 initial rage takes 6 non kill hits to reach max rage
Attila with 20 initial rage still takes 6 non hit kills
Suri with no initial rage needs 7 hits
Hanibal with no initial rage needs 7 hits
Nobunaga with no initial rage needs 7 hits
Suri with no initial rage needs 4 kills to get max rage
Attila with 20 initial rage needs 3
Bismarck with 10 initial rage needs 3 as well.
Alexander with 30% rage regen needs 4 hits
Right, so here are some assumptions/not too concrete statements/guesses: We get 14.28 rage, which is the quotient of 100 and 7. We can assume that easytech would round up values, so it might be 14 rage. So 14x7= 98 which rounds up to 100. Here's the funny part: Bismarck needs 6 non hit kills, with 10 initial rage. If it's 14, then it's: (14x6)+10=94. They just rounded it up most likely. So above 90 value rounds up to 100? The problem arises with Alexander. 30% of 14 is just 4.2, round up or down, doesn't matter. He needs 4 hits, when he should need 5. This is probably just because I don't exactly know what rage regen means, and the value of the rage regen isn't greater than 20.
That's it for now, i don't want to think about math right now  .
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Post by blueberry on Dec 2, 2021 0:06:51 GMT
So a gen without rage regen bonus would get 20 rage with a non-kill hit and 30 rage with a kill? But I see that gens usually need 6 non-kill hits to fill their rage bar Yup, i even did that with Attila and he needed 6. We get 5 bars, and 1 bar is 20, so all 5 is 100. Looked at Bismarck with his 10, and it didn't fill 1 bar. That's confusing. I'm dragging my feet on this, hoping someone has knows it or there's a thread on it already. Bismarck needed 6 non hit kills, and so does Attila. Bismarck hitting a unit with initial 10 rage fills 1 bar. Second hit fills 2 bars. Suri hitting a unit with no initial rage doesn't fill 1 bar. So what we know that is concrete: 1 bar is 20 rage 5 bars is 100
Generals with no initial rage needs 2 hits to fill 1 bar,so it's safe to assume that rage regen per hit is below 20, but not lower than 10(or rounds up to 10)
Generals with 10 initial rage needs 1 hit. Therefore,it's safe to assume the rage per hit is 10(or a lower number that rounds up to 10) or higher.
Bismarck with 10 initial rage takes 6 non kill hits to reach max rage
Attila with 20 initial rage still takes 6 non hit kills
Suri with no initial rage needs 7 hits
Hanibal with no initial rage needs 7 hits
Nobunaga with no initial rage needs 7 hits
Suri with no initial rage needs 4 kills to get max rage
Attila with 20 initial rage needs 3
Bismarck with 10 initial rage needs 3 as well.
Alexander with 30% rage regen needs 4 hits
Right, so here are some assumptions/not too concrete statements/guesses: We get 14.28 rage, which is the quotient of 100 and 7. We can assume that easytech would round up values, so it might be 14 rage. So 14x7= 98 which rounds up to 100. Here's the funny part: Bismarck needs 6 non hit kills, with 10 initial rage. If it's 14, then it's: (14x6)+10=94. They just rounded it up most likely. So above 90 value rounds up to 100? The problem arises with Alexander. 30% of 14 is just 4.2, round up or down, doesn't matter. He needs 4 hits, when he should need 5. This is probably just because I don't exactly know what rage regen means, and the value of the rage regen isn't greater than 20.
That's it for now, i don't want to think about math right now .
Well, we're getting closer to the truth, it seems. Thank you for your testing, it never dawned on me to do it myself in many months of playing! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 0:57:22 GMT
blueberry, i assumed that the numbers concerning rage was already known, and all i needed to know was to look for it. Turns out, it wasn't . Although, it seems that the 30% rage regen of Alexander is significant, along with Caesar. 4 hits to get their rage without the paladin set is massive. I also thought the 2 piece paladin set vs 2 piece titan was settled, turns out it wasn't. I just wanted to know if it was significant,and as far as i'm concerned, it is. Just need to test the infantry with lower rage regen, and do more tests to make sure all values are accounted for.
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Post by mayankshadow on Dec 2, 2021 10:12:11 GMT
Wait, think i got it. 20 starting rage with 20 rage per hit with 100 full guage. 20x.3=6. Alexander gets 26 per hit. 26x3= 78. 78+20=98, and EW5 just rounds it up to 100. Attila with 20 starting guage needs 4 hits. I'm just bad at counting attacks damn. No i dont think et rounds it cause in attila. Two titan equiped,he needs smthng more than just two kills(48+48=96). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 10:51:22 GMT
Wait, think i got it. 20 starting rage with 20 rage per hit with 100 full guage. 20x.3=6. Alexander gets 26 per hit. 26x3= 78. 78+20=98, and EW5 just rounds it up to 100. Attila with 20 starting guage needs 4 hits. I'm just bad at counting attacks damn. No i dont think et rounds it cause in attila. Two titan equiped,he needs smthng more than just two kills(48+48=96). Titan just gives 20% rage regen right? I don't think he's getting 48 per kill, so he needs 3 kills with the titan set. |
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Post by mayankshadow on Dec 3, 2021 2:21:50 GMT
Yes and it fits even with braveness that evon told.
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 3, 2021 2:53:45 GMT
Edward? Modcheck?
Petain??? Modcheck.
Lincoln? He’s basically freeeee
Caesar?!?! ¡Vamos Pa Fuera un Tiro tu y yo!
Alexander? I mean yeah he’s free but. There are better options (and cheaper). And he’s Industrial Age abilities……Fury is very mediocre (Barbarossa is good because the combination: Fury,Samurai and Leadership is very Good.) and Phalanx……. In French and German Campaign Can be useful buuut….Artillery units exists.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 3:16:28 GMT
Edward? Modcheck? Petain??? Modcheck. Lincoln? He’s basically freeeee Caesar?!?! ¡Vamos Pa Fuera un Tiro tu y yo! Alexander? I mean yeah he’s free but. There are better options (and cheaper). And he’s Industrial Age abilities……Fury is very mediocre (Barbarossa is good because the combination: Fury,Samurai and Leadership is very Good.) and Phalanx……. In French and German Campaign Can be useful buuut….Artillery units exists. There's a criteria i used, and the generals are compared to generals of the same color and not all generals. If that were the case, only 2 purples makes the cut, while all the rest are blue. And the reason lincoln wasn't added was his performance wasn't good, and you need logistics levels to make him useable. Petain was just barely out, availability screwed him over. |
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