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Post by stoic on Dec 6, 2021 15:13:04 GMT
I personally would rate Thunder higher than Aegis. Thunder has the highest crit rate bonus in the game. Together with Discovery age badge and "friendship" bonus it is possible to increase a critical chance up to 34%. That means every third attack will be critical. Aegis is a bit tricky to use, in my opinion. I can't find in my lineup a general who will really profit from wearing it. Probably Suleiman, Saladin or Charlemagne are best options. I think Suleiman will be very tanky with Aegis. But when we don't have these generals at our disposal, a suitable candidate is not that easy to find. Reason i put Aegis higher is because i value the active over the stats, and I don't think the crit chance of thunder outweighs the defensive utility of Aegis. You can also give Aegis to comms as it lasts 3 turns, preferably to infantry(tho it might not work for every infantry comm gen)and cav comms, so bonus value for ai battles. Thunder's crit chance is pretty good tho, that's undeniable. I also don't think suitable artifact candidates is that big of an issue. Sure, some are definitely better and can use them more efficiently, but if a general can use it well , then that's a okay. In manual, that simply depends on your game strategy. For ai battles, those that have a duration or no active will be better as they can be given to any general(especially for cav comms). I also don't have any suitable users of Aegis on my team,so i just gave it to Jhansi in manual. She also uses it well in ai, it's funny seeing her actually winning against Washington in arena. I do get your point on crit chance. That's why i mentioned the 2 uses of thunder(3 actually): for the crit chance, for the disruption,or both. The answer is usually both, but you'll be leaning on one in different situations. It is not that easy to activate both Commander skill and an active skill of Aegis on practice. It is close to impossible in case of Infantry and Archers and very difficult to do in case of cavalry. Presumably it is possible when the battlefield is crowded by enemies but more often than not we have only several targets in sight, thick walls, mythological creatures etc. I think that only one or two of our cavalry Commanders have practical chances to get the best of both worlds. The rest should be happy if they could activate only one ability when needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 15:23:23 GMT
i gave aegis to nappo, gold mask to pachi. pachi uses archer commander skill so gold mask gives him higher def and some hp regen. nappo is the only one left together with the other equipp combination without an artefact. so he got aegis
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Post by Iron Duke on Dec 6, 2021 17:36:57 GMT
Some editing required: GungNir and BoL 2. Bottle of life If Gungir is the perfect partner,then Gungir is the perfect parent. Otherwise very good!  I accidentally accepted this comment(like most of my accepted comments, and either i'm dumb and don't know how to unaccept it, or there's no way to),but tbf i would accept it anyway. That said, thanks. Gungir sounds cooler than Gungnir, that's obviously why i placed that and not because i made a mistake, definitely not. I'll leave them unedited so people can see in full display my mistake. Reminds me of what my friend's parents once said. I've done that too  |
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Post by Iron Duke on Dec 6, 2021 17:39:51 GMT
I personally would rate Thunder higher than Aegis. Thunder has the highest crit rate bonus in the game. Together with Discovery age badge and "friendship" bonus it is possible to increase a critical chance up to 34%. That means every third attack will be critical. Aegis is a bit tricky to use, in my opinion. I can't find in my lineup a general who will really profit from wearing it. Probably Suleiman, Saladin or Charlemagne are best options. I think Suleiman will be very tanky with Aegis. But when we don't have these generals at our disposal, a suitable candidate is not that easy to find. I usually end up giving Aegis to Li Shimin or Bismarck just because I hate wasting active Artefacts on Commanders and my other guys are wielding the WMDs. |
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Post by stoic on Dec 6, 2021 18:28:10 GMT
I personally would rate Thunder higher than Aegis. Thunder has the highest crit rate bonus in the game. Together with Discovery age badge and "friendship" bonus it is possible to increase a critical chance up to 34%. That means every third attack will be critical. Aegis is a bit tricky to use, in my opinion. I can't find in my lineup a general who will really profit from wearing it. Probably Suleiman, Saladin or Charlemagne are best options. I think Suleiman will be very tanky with Aegis. But when we don't have these generals at our disposal, a suitable candidate is not that easy to find. I usually end up giving Aegis to Li Shimin or Bismarck just because I hate wasting active Artefacts on Commanders and my other guys are wielding the WMDs. That's the point! If you, me and Deleted can't find a perfect Aegis bearer, - that means only two things: 1. We are not particularly bright 2. The problem is with Aegis, not with us. On paper it looks good, even incredible. But in practical terms it isn't easy at all to find a general for Aegis. Neither LiShimin/Bismarck, nor Blucher (my option), nor Jhansi really need it. It's just a solid shield we get for free then. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 6, 2021 19:46:13 GMT
Aegis goes to Charlemagne. Problem solved. In all seriousness, I think that it can go well to Suleiman. Essentially Blucher with better stats and Cover instead of Plunder. That could line up with stoic's choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 20:51:46 GMT
do you mean with WMD weapon of mass destruction?
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 6, 2021 21:57:46 GMT
I usually end up giving Aegis to Li Shimin or Bismarck just because I hate wasting active Artefacts on Commanders and my other guys are wielding the WMDs. That's the point! If you, me and Deleted can't find a perfect Aegis bearer, - that means only two things: 1. We are not particularly bright 2. The problem is with Aegis, not with us. On paper it looks good, even incredible. But in practical terms it isn't easy at all to find a general for Aegis. Neither LiShimin/Bismarck, nor Blucher (my option), nor Jhansi really need it. It's just a solid shield we get for free then. For Aegis we need someone who takes damage frequently, doesn't have an active that we will use, and doesn't wield another artifact. In a regular lineup, I can think of these generals: Saladin, Joan, Petain. BTW when I hear people talking about Aegis, it's usually associated with Saladin. My hypothesis is they are going ArchCom, the French Infantry generals can't use Aegis' active effectively, and Saladin is the most common choice for a defensive cavalry. Fun fact: Gungnir and BoL's nicknames in Baidu are Deletion Spear and Sippy Cup. |
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Post by zabadanov86 on Dec 6, 2021 22:37:58 GMT
It is so obvious... Perfect Aegis user is Alexander. 30% rage regen + 20% from items, in theory he can have Aegis permanently active, attacks walls to break the first defense line, soaks a lot of damage from the initial enemy attack.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 0:09:29 GMT
It is so obvious... Perfect Aegis user is Alexander. 30% rage regen + 20% from items, in theory he can have Aegis permanently active, attacks walls to break the first defense line, soaks a lot of damage from the initial enemy attack. This was the idea i brought up some weeks ago about Alexander. He's also a great wielder of thunder if you use thunder for it's petrify. Julius can also use Aegis, as he can cycle through his heal and aegis even in ai autobattles thanks to his rage regen. |
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Post by stoic on Dec 7, 2021 4:47:27 GMT
It is so obvious... Perfect Aegis user is Alexander. 30% rage regen + 20% from items, in theory he can have Aegis permanently active, attacks walls to break the first defense line, soaks a lot of damage from the initial enemy attack. This was the idea i brought up some weeks ago about Alexander. He's also a great wielder of thunder if you use thunder for it's petrify. Julius can also use Aegis, as he can cycle through his heal and aegis even in ai autobattles thanks to his rage regen. How is it possible? Casar will attack only once per turn, so, he isn't able to refill his rage bar in less than 3 turns, so it is either/or. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 6:06:50 GMT
This was the idea i brought up some weeks ago about Alexander. He's also a great wielder of thunder if you use thunder for it's petrify. Julius can also use Aegis, as he can cycle through his heal and aegis even in ai autobattles thanks to his rage regen. How is it possible? Casar will attack only once per turn, so, he isn't able to refill his rage bar in less than 3 turns, so it is either/or. Paladin set should be able to do it. It takes 3 hits for someone with 30% rage regen with a 2 piece paladin set(i tested it with alex without his initial 10 rage bonus). Provided he can kill , he should have a period where he would have both active for a turn. That said, if you mean both active constantly,nah. He can keep aegis up at all times tho even if he doesn't kill as long as he has 2 pieces of the paladin set. That's for auto of course. For manual, he'll be much more versatile,as you can switch from one-man army to walking ambulance,or both in 1 turn if you can net a kill. That's why Alex with Aegis is great, as he can keep up Aegis at all times provided he can hit something constantly. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 7, 2021 11:04:35 GMT
How is it possible? Casar will attack only once per turn, so, he isn't able to refill his rage bar in less than 3 turns, so it is either/or. Paladin set should be able to do it. It takes 3 hits for someone with 30% rage regen with a 2 piece paladin set(i tested it with alex without his initial 10 rage bonus). Provided he can kill , he should have a period where he would have both active for a turn. That said, if you mean both active constantly,nah. He can keep aegis up at all times tho even if he doesn't kill as long as he has 2 pieces of the paladin set. That's for auto of course. For manual, he'll be much more versatile,as you can switch from one-man army to walking ambulance,or both in 1 turn if you can net a kill. That's why Alex with Aegis is great, as he can keep up Aegis at all times provided he can hit something constantly. When you put those equipment on Caesar and let him enjoy the privilige of getting kills, he should be wielding Gungnir. I don't think Aegis belongs to a key performer of the team. I think this applies to Alex as well for zabadanov86. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 12:27:18 GMT
Paladin set should be able to do it. It takes 3 hits for someone with 30% rage regen with a 2 piece paladin set(i tested it with alex without his initial 10 rage bonus). Provided he can kill , he should have a period where he would have both active for a turn. That said, if you mean both active constantly,nah. He can keep aegis up at all times tho even if he doesn't kill as long as he has 2 pieces of the paladin set. That's for auto of course. For manual, he'll be much more versatile,as you can switch from one-man army to walking ambulance,or both in 1 turn if you can net a kill. That's why Alex with Aegis is great, as he can keep up Aegis at all times provided he can hit something constantly. When you put those equipment on Caesar and let him enjoy the privilige of getting kills, he should be wielding Gungnir. I don't think Aegis belongs to a key performer of the team. I think this applies to Alex as well for zabadanov86 . I was arguing that aegis is a good artifact for Caesar, not that he's the best user. I already talked about Alex and him being underrated and that he'll be the best aegis user in arena, and by extension, in pve battles as well. I'm also exploring the option of Alex as a thunder user for the thunder active. I don't think gungnir is the best artifact for Caesar, but i guess if other key gungnir users aren't available in the team, then he'll use it extremely well, especially for manual when you can pick which active to use. That said, i will stand by the fact that Caesar is an effective user of Aegis, unless proven otherwise. The only thing that would shut him down is being overwhelmed when his aegis active is down, or being rumored. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 7, 2021 12:37:47 GMT
I think that Alex is the best for the Thunder. First, he is super tanky, soon he can afford to take a hit from something worth debuffing, he has a bad active, he gains a double debuff, and he gets an insane (with nothing but those) 33% crit rate with 150% damage. With nothing but thunder and Friendliness.
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