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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 12, 2021 20:18:32 GMT
Pardon, have I offended you somehow? I merely want to clear historical misconceptions. That's literally why I made the group that you want to get into.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 20:21:22 GMT
Pardon, have I offended you somehow? I merely want to clear historical misconceptions. That's literally why I made the group that you want to get into. i indeed feel offended by you alex and a bit javi possible i am not capable of discussing with you. then its that |
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 12, 2021 20:21:50 GMT
ussr never were able to defeat nazi reich alone. western allies could have done it alone, without the ussr That is so false on so many levels. One, the Soviets did way more to end the war than the Western allies and probably could have done it with no help at all. In addition, Germany was a western power, and had the manpower to make Fortress Europe, had the Soviet Union not existed, impenetrable. A weak defense can often beat a strong attack if conducted well. okay you went upstairs. not alone. all the fuel would be destined for the URRS. no Afrika korps and no Luffwafe destroyed. And most important: No America Resources. Maybe the URRS Army can win but I really doubt it. |
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Dec 12, 2021 20:22:03 GMT
you all tell me b u l l s h i t i am tired of discussing with you and i dont want either Lol  Don’t see any reasons to lose the nerve. Everything’s fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 20:23:05 GMT
possible, that i am not able to discuss with you. then its that.
sorry all
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Post by Thortilla on Dec 12, 2021 20:25:53 GMT
Pardon, have I offended you somehow? I merely want to clear historical misconceptions. That's literally why I made the group that you want to get into. i indeed feel offended by you alex and a bit javi possible i am not capable of discussing with you. then its that oh sorry. is that I have this knack of wanting to be right |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 20:28:47 GMT
yes javier.. it should be this knack
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Dec 12, 2021 20:30:30 GMT
possible, that i am not able to discuss with you. then its that. sorry all Don’t become upset  It’s just the way folks discuss history on this forum or in YouTube comments (on adequate channels) or elsewhere. No offence against any of the participants, though one or another might get a bit emotional. I hope you’ll get used to it. We didn’t want to discourage you. |
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Dec 12, 2021 20:33:32 GMT
possible, that i am not able to discuss with you. then its that. sorry all I’m apologising |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 12, 2021 20:42:18 GMT
That is so false on so many levels. One, the Soviets did way more to end the war than the Western allies and probably could have done it with no help at all. In addition, Germany was a western power, and had the manpower to make Fortress Europe, had the Soviet Union not existed, impenetrable. A weak defense can often beat a strong attack if conducted well. okay you went upstairs. not alone. all the fuel would be destined for the URRS. no Afrika korps and no Luffwafe destroyed. And most important: No America Resources. Maybe the URRS Army can win but I really doubt it. As 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 said, the Soviet army was 5-10 times larger than the German one, with a slightly smaller navy and slightly larger air force. Germans generally took 1/3 as many casualties as the Soviets, and with these additional (although not many, not even 10 divisions) troops, maybe they can get 5 to one odds. This at best puts them at around equal odds with the Soviets, and at worst has them at a 2 to 1 margin. Significantly enough to defeat the Germans, although with much more casualties. |
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Post by alexandrvasilevski on Dec 12, 2021 20:50:44 GMT
okay you went upstairs. not alone. all the fuel would be destined for the URRS. no Afrika korps and no Luffwafe destroyed. And most important: No America Resources. Maybe the URRS Army can win but I really doubt it. As 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 said, the Soviet army was 5-10 times larger than the German one, with a slightly smaller navy and slightly larger air force. Germans generally took 1/3 as many casualties as the Soviets, and with these additional (although not many, not even 10 divisions) troops, maybe they can get 5 to one odds. This at best puts them at around equal odds with the Soviets, and at worst has them at a 2 to 1 margin. Significantly enough to defeat the Germans, although with much more casualties. Didn’t he mean that Red Army was 5 times larger than Germans were expecting, not than Wehrmacht? Also I very much doubt the statement about Germans taking 3 times less casualties. And I want to remind that German allies also fought against USSR and took casualties. |
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Post by imkhoa3 on Dec 13, 2021 2:23:44 GMT
and russian industry and manpower is another problem too
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Post by imkhoa3 on Dec 13, 2021 2:25:53 GMT
actually , hitler warplan is hit russia , britain then go for america . they actually dont want to cooperate with the american and anti soviet bois . they only want to cooperate with capitalists guys at near the end of ww2 when they so desperate
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Post by John Marston on Dec 17, 2021 13:36:24 GMT
Barbarossa was a good plan. But major flaws were to delay it for the Balkan and not subduing Britain first. And Hitler also should had gone straight for Moscow first. The soldiers could then turn back and help elsewhere like the twin 'grads'.
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Post by imkhoa3 on Dec 17, 2021 14:43:12 GMT
ussr never were able to defeat nazi reich alone. western allies could have done it alone, without the ussr Normandy defences were poorly manned, when Allies landed in 1944, and it still became a blood bath. Therefore it’s hard for me to imagine an Allied landing in Europe without Eastern Front having already defeated most German forces. Though maybe Allies would still be able to win WW2, who knows. But USSR could win without Western Allies. Battles for Moscow and Stalingrad were won with barely any lend-lease. But of course the war would last much longer and take even more lives. Therefore I thank Western Allies for probably saving my ancestors from being killed in that harder alternate war and thus allowing me to be born. God, let our nations live in peace and friendship! nope , the ussr wont win ww2 or barely win without allies force because 1. no afrika korp so rommel will get in eastern and who know if he might turn the tide or not 2. no more bombing so no more destruction to nazi weapon factory + more factory in france , belgium etc so they will have mass increase of weapons production 3. german will have more troops ( german throw 4 millions soldier in western front )+ their allies will now join them . the japanese and the italian now help ( soviet have 1 millions or 2 divisions to defend from japanese ) and italy have about 300k troops in north african campaign plus their tank and artillery so , the ussr might win but their will struggling alot and remember stalingard fail because of not enough troops to fit into the holes in don river |
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Don’t see any reasons to lose the nerve. Everything’s fine.
It’s just the way folks discuss history on this forum or in YouTube comments (on adequate channels) or elsewhere. No offence against any of the participants, though one or another might get a bit emotional. I hope you’ll get used to it. We didn’t want to discourage you.
