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Post by imkhoa3 on Dec 12, 2021 7:05:13 GMT
Ok let screw every movies about what if axis power win . This is a real talk about this problem
1.industry : german dont have a good industry or a good economic for war . You should remember how german economic is in 1926 . Their economic go so horrible that many country accuse them for trashing thier own to avoid paying money . They get absolute hyper-inflation that billion of papermark only afford 1 dollar .Their economic in 1933 to 1939 grown ofc but it not stable or good for a war . Ww2 prove this . The german only produce 670k tanks and this should hurt allied tank produce rate is 4,358,649 tanks and self propelled artillery , vehicles right ? i only count ground forces not other like navy or air forces right
Their agriculture shared the same fate . They need to self-sufficient foods to not suffering for siege and that goal failed . The highest is 83% and they can only achieved that when they start occupying foreign lands
2. Ally
A. The italian : trash industry , trash generals , italians dont even accept the fascism lack of resource . They even have everything needed for a garbage army .
B. Japanese : they not garbage but the only problem is their front is too far from german front like western or eastern . The only thing they could do to help german in operation barbarossa is attacking via( i dont know the name) but there go another problem , japanese have their own enemy .the nationalist chinese and the allies at pacific . The chinese found so hard that make the japanese suffering from the front . The japanese industry itself isnt good bc of lack of resource ( they cant produce the O-I tank )
3.Enemy : they fighting enemies with huge manpower and industry . Example : the amount of soviet dead in siege of leningrad are higher than every dead allied soldiers in western front during 1944 to 1945 ( 1 milion+ to 100k+ ) . Yet stalin still can summon 180 divisions for german invasion .
So from the number , i can easily statement that german will Never win ww2
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Post by thethethe08 on Dec 12, 2021 8:29:21 GMT
Ok let screw every movies about what if axis power win . This is a real talk about this problem 1.industry : german dont have a good industry or a good economic for war . You should remember how german economic is in 1926 . Their economic go so horrible that many country accuse them for trashing thier own to avoid paying money . They get absolute hyper-inflation that billion of papermark only afford 1 dollar .Their economic in 1933 to 1939 grown ofc but it not stable or good for a war . Ww2 prove this . The german only produce 670k tanks and this should hurt allied tank produce rate is 4,358,649 tanks and self propelled artillery , vehicles right ? i only count ground forces not other like navy or air forces right Their agriculture shared the same fate . They need to self-sufficient foods to not suffering for siege and that goal failed . The highest is 83% and they can only achieved that when they start occupying foreign lands 2. Ally A. The italian : trash industry , trash generals , italians dont even accept the fascism lack of resource . They even have everything needed for a garbage army . B. Japanese : they not garbage but the only problem is their front is too far from german front like western or eastern . The only thing they could do to help german in operation barbarossa is attacking via( i dont know the name) but there go another problem , japanese have their own enemy .the nationalist chinese and the allies at pacific . The chinese found so hard that make the japanese suffering from the front . The japanese industry itself isnt good bc of lack of resource ( they cant produce the O-I tank ) 3.Enemy : they fighting enemies with huge manpower and industry . Example : the amount of soviet dead in siege of leningrad are higher than every dead allied soldiers in western front during 1944 to 1945 ( 1 milion+ to 100k+ ) . Yet stalin still can summon 180 divisions for german invasion . So from the number , i can easily statement that german will Never win ww2 The only way nazi germany can not lose ww2 is to not start a world war at all |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 11:56:44 GMT
nazi germans war plan was after defeating france and gaining rule over europe, except of britain, rolling over russia to meet japanese in central asia. imperial japanese war plan was controlling china, korea, manchuria and the pacific, defeating usa. both plans failed miserably in the course and end phase. the allied forces of usa, russia, and great britain plus rearising france ended it
axis forces were primarily supported by italy, but also balkan forces and swept over scandinavian countries
yea and the atlantic plan of the nazis... but britannia was in the way and american east side forces
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Post by imkhoa3 on Dec 12, 2021 14:17:14 GMT
nazi germans war plan was after defeating france and gaining rule over europe, except of britain, rolling over russia to meet japanese in central asia. imperial japanese war plan was controlling china, korea, manchuria and the pacific, defeating usa. both plans failed miserably in the course and end phase. the allied forces of usa, russia, and great britain plus rearising france ended it axis forces were primarily supported by italy, but also balkan forces and swept over scandinavian countries yea and the atlantic plan of the nazis... but britannia was in the way and american east side forces Actually , ribbentrop want japanese to hit viadivostok but the japanese dont because they want to hit dutch oil and pacific And actually hitler want to hit britain too but the royal air force trash their landing ships in october so the plan cancelled |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 14:26:35 GMT
yea nazis failed in conquerin british isle
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 12, 2021 14:53:54 GMT
The Nazis had no chance to take Britain. The only way they could win is if they somehow convinced the western powers that communism was worse than Nazism. This was actually the prevailing view in Britain and America at the time (not in France).
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Post by imkhoa3 on Dec 12, 2021 15:52:55 GMT
The Nazis had no chance to take Britain. The only way they could win is if they somehow convinced the western powers that communism was worse than Nazism. This was actually the prevailing view in Britain and America at the time (not in France). They can, I mean, if Goering is smart and don't do *Auto Corrected* decision then they can but after that, I don't think they have enough power to go get russia |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 18:54:00 GMT
german/japan relationship was rather loose than a stabile pact, since both operated on their own area of strike
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 12, 2021 18:54:03 GMT
The Nazis had no chance to take Britain. The only way they could win is if they somehow convinced the western powers that communism was worse than Nazism. This was actually the prevailing view in Britain and America at the time (not in France). They can, I mean, if Goering is smart and don't do *Auto Corrected* decision then they can but after that, I don't think they have enough power to go get russia Goering did a pretty good job given Hitler's orders. The main problem is rather that the Germans had no navy to speak of. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 18:56:11 GMT
germans had some navy, but british and american navy was much stronger
it was near to almost impossible to interrupt all british/american convoys to britain. britain survived until allied forces landings began in europe. from africa to italy, from atlantic to france
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 19:25:55 GMT
i mean the operation overlord. germans got two fronts then, the eastern and now the western. hitler had a chance to the eastern front. but with having 2 fronts now, nazis were critically weakened
d day was the decesicive day of ww2. the landing in normandy.
from that day, allied forces gained the upper hand
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Dec 12, 2021 19:33:53 GMT
The Nazis had no chance to take Britain. The only way they could win is if they somehow convinced the western powers that communism was worse than Nazism. This was actually the prevailing view in Britain and America at the time (not in France). They can, I mean, if Goering is smart and don't do *Auto Corrected* decision then they can but after that, I don't think they have enough power to go get russia The german reich had no chance and no interests to take Britain. The last german planning group was abdonned until "future notice" in 1939. In 1938 they estimated 3-5 years of enforced troopship production was necessary, before any landing operation could be realized. And as Gerd von Rundstedt said, the germans wanted the USA and GB to join their forces against the common enemy: Communism. Throughout the whole war (at least untill late 44) german diplomacy did many attempts to build an ally with GB and the US against Stalin. Cancelling the "unfair" treaty of Versailles and a strong Anti-Communist movement; this were the reasons why Hitler came to power and why he had the support in the population to go on war, so shortly after the great war. Destroying communism and getting "Lebensraum im Osten" ( space to live in the east ). This was the war-goal. And why the germans never could win ? Arrogance and missinformation The German Headquarter evaluated a 60/40 chance to defeat the USSR. With a surprise Assult and a quick conquer of the capital Moscow they saw a unsure possibility. (Plan Barbarossa) But: this plannings were based on completely wrong estimations of the russian military potential ! German intelligence was never working: All estimations of the russian economy, military and war production capacities were at factor 5-10 !!! too low. (unbelievable but true) The ideology of the superior race and the wrong numbers, made them confidently believing, that the USSR was an unindustrialised normadic enemy, mostly like Mongolia. After defeating France - no problem. Apart that the german material for Barbarossa was already used (unplanned too); If your enemy is in real 5 to 10 times stronger than you believe, you have a serious problem. Not getting Moscow until Christmas meant already failure of the whole war-plan. With the USA joining the coalition in January, the war was definetly lost. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 19:37:07 GMT
they had. nazis wanted britain. it was the last bastion in europe. usa and gb were never friend to nazis in any time during ww2. the other side russia was in fact somehow allied to us and gb but not that much in scale
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 12, 2021 19:45:24 GMT
Time for some bad alternate history!!
With the help of the UK, Italian, US, Japanese (the military class and often Hirohito wanted their main enemy to be the communists) and French (diplomatically forced to by UK) military, the Anti-Soviet force would certainly be enough. Remember, the troops were still very well trained, despite what the bettles in France would have us believe. At that point, I see a reign of relative peace in Europe, while Japan continues its war with China and eventual declaration of war on America and the UK. Germany, which has been backing China for decades, offers financial and volunteer support against the Japanese.
The Japanese lose quickly, and are given surrender terms that they agree to, while France and the other western powers stretch their imperialist (puppet) muscles. Germany primarily reaches for the middle east, Britain for China, the United States of America for Central America, and France for North Africa. Italy gets edged out of the fun, and becomes a new Spain, not really caring about the foreign world.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 19:46:46 GMT
the turning point in ww2 was the d day. operation overlord. until then, it was more par to par. apart from the landing in italy few months before. loosing italy meant for nazis loosing influence into south, to africa.
thats why germany lost ww2
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