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Post by Nhyjj on Jan 3, 2022 18:02:45 GMT
Well, this holy crusade worked… well at 50%. An, unsuspected?, ally showed up. The mighty Gerd von Rundstedt himself, to attack and defend Yamashita at the same time. My lineup of thinking is Rundstedt > Ushijima > Yamashita > Kuribayashi Rundstedt = Yamashita > Ushijima > any other axis infantry General except Kuribayashi > Kuribayashi Yamashita and Rundstedt each other have a situation where they are better than the other. Yes, in ANY defensive position I’ll chose Rundstedt over Yamashita. But what I like with Yamashita is that he can keep up with Guderian. I can send him do solo missions to help my allies capture and objective, I can send him against an enemy HT that Rundstedt couldn’t reach, with the support of Guderian and Leeb to kill him. And I KNOW that thay’ll have the time to regroup with my main force. That’s why I value movement. But do you know what I like to do the most. Make Yamashita and Rundstedt work in tandem in AG. Yamashita damages the enemy while taking no damage half the time, while Rundstedt finishes the enemy and takes no damage thanks to PS and FS. I still think that Yamashita is more valuable than Rundstedt in the early game, but once the late game arrives Rundstedt catches up to him. I think that the problem is that the axis side lacks of defensive positions where a tanky guy like Rundstedt would have 100% supremacy over Yamahsita. The line is always so thin. I still think that Gueriila is highly valuable, especially on a high hit General without IL, but once IL is taken in, Guerilla isn’t the good skill, FS is. But anyway, this thread was moslty made to trigger both you and 6Johnny23 , and maybe other members like Lucklife . At least we can both agree on something. KURIBAYASHI IS TRASH, WORST THAN USHIJIMA. |
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Post by Nhyjj on Jan 3, 2022 18:17:34 GMT
Crits are not that good in the game. They are way less important than in other game like GCR. Actually, they are pretty good. 50% more damage while in other games I think it was 35%. Yes, but in other games like WC4, you could got up to 60% of crits (40% without the medal). I GOG3 it’s only 24%. Crits can be good when combined with IL or any “Leader” Skills, but I would take them as my main way of damage. I 100% prefer a consistent +10 damage than a 1/4 chance to pop off. Because if we value crits skill very high… we should up the value of guys like Hoth and Messe, which I don’t think we should.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jan 3, 2022 19:05:28 GMT
My lineup of thinking is Rundstedt > Ushijima > Yamashita > Kuribayashi Rundstedt = Yamashita > Ushijima > any other axis infantry General except Kuribayashi > Kuribayashi Yamashita and Rundstedt each other have a situation where they are better than the other. Yes, in ANY defensive position I’ll chose Rundstedt over Yamashita. But what I like with Yamashita is that he can keep up with Guderian. I can send him do solo missions to help my allies capture and objective, I can send him against an enemy HT that Rundstedt couldn’t reach, with the support of Guderian and Leeb to kill him. And I KNOW that thay’ll have the time to regroup with my main force. That’s why I value movement. But do you know what I like to do the most. Make Yamashita and Rundstedt work in tandem in AG. Yamashita damages the enemy while taking no damage half the time, while Rundstedt finishes the enemy and takes no damage thanks to PS and FS. I still think that Yamashita is more valuable than Rundstedt in the early game, but once the late game arrives Rundstedt catches up to him. I think that the problem is that the axis side lacks of defensive positions where a tanky guy like Rundstedt would have 100% supremacy over Yamahsita. The line is always so thin. I still think that Gueriila is highly valuable, especially on a high hit General without IL, but once IL is taken in, Guerilla isn’t the good skill, FS is. But anyway, this thread was moslty made to trigger both you and 6Johnny23 , and maybe other members like Lucklife . At least we can both agree on something. KURIBAYASHI IS TRASH, WORST THAN USHIJIMA. *g4sP* Worse than Ushijima? I'll quote stoic: "And Kuribayashi is able to do it as good as Yamashita. So, the question is why to pay more?" To modify it better: "And Kuribayashi is able to do it better than Yamashita. So, the question is why to pay more?" |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jan 3, 2022 19:33:12 GMT
Rundstedt = Yamashita > Ushijima > any other axis infantry General except Kuribayashi > Kuribayashi Yamashita and Rundstedt each other have a situation where they are better than the other. Yes, in ANY defensive position I’ll chose Rundstedt over Yamashita. But what I like with Yamashita is that he can keep up with Guderian. I can send him do solo missions to help my allies capture and objective, I can send him against an enemy HT that Rundstedt couldn’t reach, with the support of Guderian and Leeb to kill him. And I KNOW that thay’ll have the time to regroup with my main force. That’s why I value movement. But do you know what I like to do the most. Make Yamashita and Rundstedt work in tandem in AG. Yamashita damages the enemy while taking no damage half the time, while Rundstedt finishes the enemy and takes no damage thanks to PS and FS. I still think that Yamashita is more valuable than Rundstedt in the early game, but once the late game arrives Rundstedt catches up to him. I think that the problem is that the axis side lacks of defensive positions where a tanky guy like Rundstedt would have 100% supremacy over Yamahsita. The line is always so thin. I still think that Gueriila is highly valuable, especially on a high hit General without IL, but once IL is taken in, Guerilla isn’t the good skill, FS is. But anyway, this thread was moslty made to trigger both you and 6Johnny23 , and maybe other members like Lucklife . At least we can both agree on something. KURIBAYASHI IS TRASH, WORST THAN USHIJIMA. *g4sP* Worse than Ushijima? I'll quote stoic: "And Kuribayashi is able to do it as good as Yamashita. So, the question is why to pay more?" To modify it better: "And Kuribayashi is able to do it better than Yamashita. So, the question is why to pay more?" Yamashita has an extra 5 flat damage, Guerilla, and 3 movement, while Kuri has +12% damage. The thing is, lack of survivability is a death knell. In addition, do you really trust stoic on infantry when he delayed SLIM (not even MacArthur) behind two tank gens, an Artillery, and an econ gen. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jan 3, 2022 19:43:28 GMT
*g4sP* Worse than Ushijima? I'll quote stoic: "And Kuribayashi is able to do it as good as Yamashita. So, the question is why to pay more?" To modify it better: "And Kuribayashi is able to do it better than Yamashita. So, the question is why to pay more?" Yamashita has an extra 5 flat damage, Guerilla, and 3 movement, while Kuri has +12% damage. The thing is, lack of survivability is a death knell. In addition, do you really trust stoic on infantry when he delayed SLIM (not even MacArthur) behind two tank gens, an Artillery, and an econ gen. Ermm... next question. How dare you insult the great stoic! 5 flat damage is worse than 12% extra damage (~10). Guerilla is nice but... I like the damage Stop using movement as an argument! |
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Post by Nhyjj on Jan 4, 2022 3:35:52 GMT
Yamashita has an extra 5 flat damage, Guerilla, and 3 movement, while Kuri has +12% damage. The thing is, lack of survivability is a death knell. In addition, do you really trust stoic on infantry when he delayed SLIM (not even MacArthur) behind two tank gens, an Artillery, and an econ gen. Ermm... next question. How dare you insult the great stoic! 5 flat damage is worse than 12% extra damage (~10). Guerilla is nice but... I like the damage Stop using movement as an argument! Movement is THE best argument. In any situation. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jan 4, 2022 3:58:56 GMT
Ermm... next question. How dare you insult the great stoic! 5 flat damage is worse than 12% extra damage (~10). Guerilla is nice but... I like the damage Stop using movement as an argument! Movement is THE best argument. In any situation. Not for Gerdy to use! *points at GOG3 Rundstedt* |
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Post by 曹操 on Jan 4, 2022 4:19:09 GMT
My lineup of thinking is Rundstedt > Ushijima > Yamashita > Kuribayashi Rundstedt = Yamashita > Ushijima > any other axis infantry General except Kuribayashi > Kuribayashi Yamashita and Rundstedt each other have a situation where they are better than the other. Yes, in ANY defensive position I’ll chose Rundstedt over Yamashita. But what I like with Yamashita is that he can keep up with Guderian. I can send him do solo missions to help my allies capture and objective, I can send him against an enemy HT that Rundstedt couldn’t reach, with the support of Guderian and Leeb to kill him. And I KNOW that thay’ll have the time to regroup with my main force. That’s why I value movement. But do you know what I like to do the most. Make Yamashita and Rundstedt work in tandem in AG. Yamashita damages the enemy while taking no damage half the time, while Rundstedt finishes the enemy and takes no damage thanks to PS and FS. I still think that Yamashita is more valuable than Rundstedt in the early game, but once the late game arrives Rundstedt catches up to him. I think that the problem is that the axis side lacks of defensive positions where a tanky guy like Rundstedt would have 100% supremacy over Yamahsita. The line is always so thin. I still think that Gueriila is highly valuable, especially on a high hit General without IL, but once IL is taken in, Guerilla isn’t the good skill, FS is. But anyway, this thread was moslty made to trigger both you and 6Johnny23 , and maybe other members like Lucklife . At least we can both agree on something. KURIBAYASHI IS TRASH, WORST THAN USHIJIMA. Wait lemme fix that with "YAMASHITA IS TRASH, WORST THAN USHIJIMA" |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jan 4, 2022 12:34:01 GMT
Ermm... next question. How dare you insult the great stoic! 5 flat damage is worse than 12% extra damage (~10). Guerilla is nice but... I like the damage Stop using movement as an argument! Movement is THE best argument. In any situation. So false. 100% false. See earlier posts. But hey, it's a free bargaining chip, so why not? |
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Post by Lucklife on Jan 13, 2022 5:50:58 GMT
"Haha I didn't play yamashita through the campaign I get to escape triggering"
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Jul 24, 2022 12:25:32 GMT
EFC MEMBERS, it seems like a great crusade has started against our BELOVED YAMASHITA. Users like Gerd von Rundstedt and 6Johnny23 have been torpedo bombing the great vessels that he once was. Our beloved is now in bad shape and MUST be saved. I cannot stand alone and YOU must help me. But as a great leader should do, I must take the lead in THE DEFENCE OF THE HOLY LAND! Let me take on a trip, with the:
TOP REASONS WHY YAMASHITA IS THE BESTNo1: Movement He got movement. “But Nhyjj , you can upgrade SF so they have more movement which solves the problem”. Yes, you can, BUT IT IS A WASTE OF MEDALS IN EARLY THE GAME, the moment where movement is the MOST valuable. You CANNOT waste those hard earned medals on INFANTRY SF, while you tank and artillery ones are what, lvl1?  And what about your technology, you have like tanks, artillery and infantry at lvl 1 No2: Survivability
Yes, fire Suppression is better than Guerrilla, but don’t come at me with the “Kuribayashi is better” statement. That dude has NO survivability, he does not EVEN HAVE A REPLENISHING SKILL. He’s gonna die like a baby sheep in the middle of a hoard of wolves, because he CANNOT EVEN ESCAPE TO REPLENISH! No3: Does IL really matters that much
Yes it is the best Infantry skill. But does it really justify sacrificing a Engineering SF or Blue and Red medals for a movement star. NEVER! And on what do you want to go on a rampage? Infantry? There’s a unit for that… HEAVY TANKS. “Yes but there are non in the early game”. And when do you have to go on a infantry rampage in the early game? NEVER! (Might add some reason later) 0. "BELOVED YAMASHITA"? Beloved? 1. What medals? The medals used for tech I assume. Look. Tech can be slacked on early game. 2 maxed out (only in movement) infantry SF won't be a burden on tank and arty when you get 16 SF medals and 6 tech medals daily. Also, I literally ran out of arty and tank cards. And they take a bit to grind for in challenges. 2. I will add that "Taurus Corps go brr". He may die like a baby sheep in a pack of wolves but he will kill 85% of those wolves to Yamashita's 20%. The main reason I advocate for Kuribayashi supremeacy is that he's much stronger, and with support won't die nearly as easily as you claim. If you do catch him off guard, well, he won't get demoralized and will absolutely crit everyone and slaughter them like they are the sheep. Baaaa. Also, smack Taurus and since infantry is cheaper than Canadian insulin (it's so cheap I could cry), Kuri will be fixed up in no time. If this argument can work with Vasilevsky, this argument can work with Taurus-Kuribayashi. 3. Actually, yes. IL gives you +24% damage. Poggers! It's worth it. It's the #1 reason why Brad is a Chad. It's worth sacrificing grindable medals that you get 22 of daily. HTs rely on PL, so why can't Infantry? Your first argument expires with time, your second argument is fixed by "Taurus Corps go brr", and IL is godly. The core of the Kuribayashi supremacy over Yamashita argument is that he is slow but deadly and can hit harder than Yamashita, by a significant bit. SFs fix movement and so SFs fix survivability. 1b. AG provides you with some. Conquest does too. Challenges helps a bit (IIRC) and daily reward do too! 3b. Without IL, Rundstedt is worse than CT-Ushijima. EEW! With IL, Rundstedt is the best Axis infantry general. The core of the Rundstedt supremacy argument is that he hits harder than Yamashita, is tankier, and according to Gerdy, has some kind of HT godliness to him. I personally believe in both, because when you are weaker (statistically, he is) than even Student, you don't have a leg to stand on. 3. On paper. Sometimes IL triggers and there’s nothing to hit. This is why Guderian > Rommel on MTs. Plus, BC may be worse in damage but IL deals more damage to the general cuz, y’know, double hit. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jul 24, 2022 15:45:09 GMT
0. "BELOVED YAMASHITA"? Beloved? 1. What medals? The medals used for tech I assume. Look. Tech can be slacked on early game. 2 maxed out (only in movement) infantry SF won't be a burden on tank and arty when you get 16 SF medals and 6 tech medals daily. Also, I literally ran out of arty and tank cards. And they take a bit to grind for in challenges. 2. I will add that "Taurus Corps go brr". He may die like a baby sheep in a pack of wolves but he will kill 85% of those wolves to Yamashita's 20%. The main reason I advocate for Kuribayashi supremeacy is that he's much stronger, and with support won't die nearly as easily as you claim. If you do catch him off guard, well, he won't get demoralized and will absolutely crit everyone and slaughter them like they are the sheep. Baaaa. Also, smack Taurus and since infantry is cheaper than Canadian insulin (it's so cheap I could cry), Kuri will be fixed up in no time. If this argument can work with Vasilevsky, this argument can work with Taurus-Kuribayashi. 3. Actually, yes. IL gives you +24% damage. Poggers! It's worth it. It's the #1 reason why Brad is a Chad. It's worth sacrificing grindable medals that you get 22 of daily. HTs rely on PL, so why can't Infantry? Your first argument expires with time, your second argument is fixed by "Taurus Corps go brr", and IL is godly. The core of the Kuribayashi supremacy over Yamashita argument is that he is slow but deadly and can hit harder than Yamashita, by a significant bit. SFs fix movement and so SFs fix survivability. 1b. AG provides you with some. Conquest does too. Challenges helps a bit (IIRC) and daily reward do too! 3b. Without IL, Rundstedt is worse than CT-Ushijima. EEW! With IL, Rundstedt is the best Axis infantry general. The core of the Rundstedt supremacy argument is that he hits harder than Yamashita, is tankier, and according to Gerdy, has some kind of HT godliness to him. I personally believe in both, because when you are weaker (statistically, he is) than even Student, you don't have a leg to stand on. 3. On paper. Sometimes IL triggers and there’s nothing to hit. This is why Guderian > Rommel on MTs. Plus, BC may be worse in damage but IL deals more damage to the general cuz, y’know, double hit. Sometimes. But not always. Plus, if there is nothing to hit, hasn't IL done it's job, to rapid fire massacre the enemy? And no. Guderian > Rommel on MTs is because of PL's counterattack damage (minor, but for MTs we can't discount that) and Rommel's lack of Blitzkrieg. IL's counterattack is a bigger factor (inf is weak), but if you have already crippled a unit with Leader, then the counterattack will also be weak. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Jul 24, 2022 17:46:45 GMT
3. On paper. Sometimes IL triggers and there’s nothing to hit. This is why Guderian > Rommel on MTs. Plus, BC may be worse in damage but IL deals more damage to the general cuz, y’know, double hit. Sometimes. But not always. Plus, if there is nothing to hit, hasn't IL done it's job, to rapid fire massacre the enemy? And no. Guderian > Rommel on MTs is because of PL's counterattack damage (minor, but for MTs we can't discount that) and Rommel's lack of Blitzkrieg. IL's counterattack is a bigger factor (inf is weak), but if you have already crippled a unit with Leader, then the counterattack will also be weak. Not necessarily. It could mean 50 HT gens are about to ambush. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jul 24, 2022 18:30:25 GMT
Sometimes. But not always. Plus, if there is nothing to hit, hasn't IL done it's job, to rapid fire massacre the enemy? And no. Guderian > Rommel on MTs is because of PL's counterattack damage (minor, but for MTs we can't discount that) and Rommel's lack of Blitzkrieg. IL's counterattack is a bigger factor (inf is weak), but if you have already crippled a unit with Leader, then the counterattack will also be weak. Not necessarily. It could mean 50 HT gens are about to ambush. Nonsense. I assume all of them fire once and then move (presumably using PL), with max level and a max KV-6 (enemy can't promote) that means that there is a possibility of 6 base movement plus another 3 from the SF, meaning they can go a maximum of four grids. And they cannot be adjacent to the general. Thus, there are a maximum of 54 HT gens that could be hiding in wait. Be more precise when you make such an accusation.  |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jul 24, 2022 21:06:07 GMT
Sometimes. But not always. Plus, if there is nothing to hit, hasn't IL done it's job, to rapid fire massacre the enemy? And no. Guderian > Rommel on MTs is because of PL's counterattack damage (minor, but for MTs we can't discount that) and Rommel's lack of Blitzkrieg. IL's counterattack is a bigger factor (inf is weak), but if you have already crippled a unit with Leader, then the counterattack will also be weak. Not necessarily. It could mean 50 HT gens are about to ambush. Don't forget that the 50 HTs will also summon WC4 Guderian (on a Super Tank), who with his 5 skills will mathematically crush Rundstedt because 5 is better than 3. We also can't forget Borees, who can OHKO anything in the game and does more damage to Rundstedt than the US Customary System does to your memory (that's a lot of damage). |
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And what about your technology, you have like tanks, artillery and infantry at lvl 1 
