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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 10, 2022 12:57:22 GMT
At this point (1944 and 1945) Guderian really isn't worth it at all. I made a calculation and on an HT, Hoth (who is hot garbage) is almost as good. If Hoth trigger crits like 100% Then yeah it will almost the same but if not then it's hot garbage From another thread: Welcome to Convoluted Logic with Gerdy, the part of the show where Gerdy comes out and does Convoluted Logic. I am pulling out the Maths (no, if you say maths you deserve to die) on this one, to prove once and for all, that Hoth is almost as good as Guderian. This will take place on a German double level VI Maus with level 3 tech. Here are what I take into account: - Blitzkrieg is really bad, saving a minimal amount of HP. It would be better for you simply to outrange your enemies, or if not that let Artillery and Infantry do the heavy work. Heavy Tanks are way to expensive for us to be wasting them like that. (Now, if it worked on the enemy turn it would be amazing, but I digress). - Movement (particularly on a tank general), is not particularly useful. Yeah, it is something, but that something is basically negligible. Slow and steady wins the race and doesn't lead to your troops being slaughtered. - XP skills are not great on tanks. Especially Heavy Tanks. I will rank the two of them together as equal to Blitz. They are that bad. - I will take AA as +12% damage and not take consistency into account. Okay! Now moving on. A German double level 6 Maus with tech 3 has damage of (as an average) 82+107=189/2= 74 damage. That is what we will take into account. On Guderian, that is 94 damage and Hoth gets 89 damage. Guderian will want to hit tanks maybe one sixth at most of the time, usually as a coup de grâce. Infantry are a much better target for him. In any case, that is +4% damage. This can be taken away from Hoth's 12% to get +8% for Hoth. 89×1.08 is equal to 96. He attacks and counterattacks at 96. Guderian attacks at 106 and counters at 94, so Hoth will actually counter MORE than our golden boy. (In fact, he counters a lot more than Rommel, too.) Of course, he attacks -10 and has 15% less HP, but the fact that he can get that close to Guderian is strange. This has been Convoluted Logic with Gerdy, tune in next time to hear Gerdy say, "Forget Yamamoto vs. Kesselring, Yamaguchi is the only true option!" |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Feb 10, 2022 13:18:11 GMT
OK but what if Guderian is replaced by Manstein?
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 10, 2022 13:43:47 GMT
OK but what if Guderian is replaced by Manstein? Manstein is still better on an HT than an MT. |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Feb 10, 2022 13:54:12 GMT
OK but what if Guderian is replaced by Manstein? Manstein is still better on an HT than an MT. But that doesn’t solve the question that I just ask |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 10, 2022 14:14:08 GMT
Manstein is still better on an HT than an MT. But that doesn’t solve the question that I just ask I don't understand the question? |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Feb 10, 2022 14:29:36 GMT
But that doesn’t solve the question that I just ask I don't understand the question? I meant that instead of Guderian vs Hoth how about Manstein vs Hoth? |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 10, 2022 15:26:57 GMT
I don't understand the question? I meant that instead of Guderian vs Hoth how about Manstein vs Hoth? Manstein wins by far no contest. What did you expect? |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Feb 10, 2022 15:28:55 GMT
Manstein wins by far no contest. What did you expect? Manstein lack of ToI is pretty hurts tho |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 10, 2022 15:30:21 GMT
Manstein wins by far no contest. What did you expect? Manstein lack of ToI is pretty hurts tho What are you talking about, he has Panzer Group, better TOI but works on Counter too. |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Feb 10, 2022 15:32:25 GMT
Manstein lack of ToI is pretty hurts tho What are you talking about, he has Panzer Group, better TOI but works on Counter too. what I'm saying is if he have ToI then he should have theorically the highest damage that a general could deals |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Feb 10, 2022 15:33:07 GMT
On a med tank without sp
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Feb 10, 2022 15:39:32 GMT
What are you talking about, he has Panzer Group, better TOI but works on Counter too. what I'm saying is if he have ToI then he should have theorically the highest damage that a general could deals That doesn't mean he is hurt by a lack of ToI, just like Rommel isn't hurt by his lack of Armored Assault. But simply because Manstein has a useless skill in Blitzkrieg I put Ike ahead of him. |
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Feb 10, 2022 15:41:47 GMT
what I'm saying is if he have ToI then he should have theorically the highest damage that a general could deals That doesn't mean he is hurt by a lack of ToI, just like Rommel isn't hurt by his lack of Armored Assault. But simply because Manstein has a useless skill in Blitzkrieg I put Ike ahead of him. Blitzkrieg isn't really useless since lot's time you gonna face a generals with high damage such as Roko Monty,... Then blitzkrieg could be your best friend to save 100% damage |
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