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Post by Deleuzian on Feb 8, 2022 12:41:02 GMT
Hello, random wanderer here. I’ve seen Justinian getting all the hype for being worth his whopping 2330 medals, because despite his mediocrity , he remains the best consul in the game. Now, that is true. He has logistics expert and Level 2 lobbyist (which makes him basically a medieval Eisenkanzler). But, I have two reasons - one big and one petty - to remove all the hype around this man. 1. Cheaper alternatives If we want a pure consul, we can have Nikephoros I who has basically the same consul skills. He also has higher admin potential, which can be very slightly helpful in conquests (but not much). Sure, he’s worse than Justinian in combat, but he’s 780 medals cheaper. A cheaper but weaker alternative would be Eleanor of Aquitaine, who is a silver general with Lobbyist 2. Since Lobbyist 2 is basically more than half of the reason why we buy Justinian, she remians a decent contender. She’s not available yet, but I don’t think she’ll be too expensive, being a silver general and all. The last alternative, which is also the alternative I use, is Gytha with Lobbyist 1. She’s a bronze general, which means you can buy her with gold. Lobbyist 1 is enough to reduce the annoying blackmails by 50%+, from my experience. 2. Consuls are useless This is the reason why I think Justinian is basically a waste of money. Folks like torvestareborn said we need him for the sake of farming, but farming with Anglo Saxons is way more efficient. You get 12.5k gold every 5 minutes or so (by conquering Britain, reaching feudal age, yada yada yada). So, consuls lose their merit in terms of grinding as well. Yeah. Justinian is a waste of medals. Much rather get Alfred and keep the 800 medals in my pocket instead.
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Post by Deleuze on Feb 8, 2022 12:42:46 GMT
Also, don’t forget to read Difference and Repetition in your free time
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Post by torvestareborn on Feb 8, 2022 16:53:01 GMT
Hello, random wanderer here. I’ve seen Justinian getting all the hype for being worth his whopping 2330 medals, because despite his mediocrity , he remains the best consul in the game. Now, that is true. He has logistics expert and Level 2 lobbyist (which makes him basically a medieval Eisenkanzler). But, I have two reasons - one big and one petty - to remove all the hype around this man. 1. Cheaper alternatives If we want a pure consul, we can have Nikephoros I who has basically the same consul skills. He also has higher admin potential, which can be very slightly helpful in conquests (but not much). Sure, he’s worse than Justinian in combat, but he’s 780 medals cheaper. A cheaper but weaker alternative would be Eleanor of Aquitaine, who is a silver general with Lobbyist 2. Since Lobbyist 2 is basically more than half of the reason why we buy Justinian, she remians a decent contender. She’s not available yet, but I don’t think she’ll be too expensive, being a silver general and all. The last alternative, which is also the alternative I use, is Gytha with Lobbyist 1. She’s a bronze general, which means you can buy her with gold. Lobbyist 1 is enough to reduce the annoying blackmails by 50%+, from my experience. 2. Consuls are useless This is the reason why I think Justinian is basically a waste of money. Folks like torvestareborn said we need him for the sake of farming, but farming with Anglo Saxons is way more efficient. You get 12.5k gold every 5 minutes or so (by conquering Britain, reaching feudal age, yada yada yada). So, consuls lose their merit in terms of grinding as well. Yeah. Justinian is a waste of medals. Much rather get Alfred and keep the 800 medals in my pocket instead. i agree with you justinian is probably not worth it, for the medals. you can farm 12.5k every 5 minutes which is the most efficient way. I don't recommend justinian for f2p tbh, he still has a use for autoconquest if you just want to afk and not pay attention. It's much more important to get harald, basil and alfred as they are useful in battle. The only benefit i see from having justinian in campaign is the 10+ extra silver and 6+ extra metal you get from justinian's + theodora's bond which might help in more difficult hold the objective missions. If you did buy alfred, harald and basil, there are no more generals you should be buying, you should just wait for full game release so all the generals are unlocked. Justinian might be useful in future conquests which are difficult but at this stage i agree he isn't worth it.
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Post by SolidLight on Feb 9, 2022 19:14:09 GMT
Hello, random wanderer here. I’ve seen Justinian getting all the hype for being worth his whopping 2330 medals, because despite his mediocrity , he remains the best consul in the game. Now, that is true. He has logistics expert and Level 2 lobbyist (which makes him basically a medieval Eisenkanzler). But, I have two reasons - one big and one petty - to remove all the hype around this man. 1. Cheaper alternatives If we want a pure consul, we can have Nikephoros I who has basically the same consul skills. He also has higher admin potential, which can be very slightly helpful in conquests (but not much). Sure, he’s worse than Justinian in combat, but he’s 780 medals cheaper. A cheaper but weaker alternative would be Eleanor of Aquitaine, who is a silver general with Lobbyist 2. Since Lobbyist 2 is basically more than half of the reason why we buy Justinian, she remians a decent contender. She’s not available yet, but I don’t think she’ll be too expensive, being a silver general and all. The last alternative, which is also the alternative I use, is Gytha with Lobbyist 1. She’s a bronze general, which means you can buy her with gold. Lobbyist 1 is enough to reduce the annoying blackmails by 50%+, from my experience. 2. Consuls are useless This is the reason why I think Justinian is basically a waste of money. Folks like torvestareborn said we need him for the sake of farming, but farming with Anglo Saxons is way more efficient. You get 12.5k gold every 5 minutes or so (by conquering Britain, reaching feudal age, yada yada yada). So, consuls lose their merit in terms of grinding as well. Yeah. Justinian is a waste of medals. Much rather get Alfred and keep the 800 medals in my pocket instead. i agree with you justinian is probably not worth it, for the medals. you can farm 12.5k every 5 minutes which is the most efficient way. I don't recommend justinian for f2p tbh, he still has a use for autoconquest if you just want to afk and not pay attention. It's much more important to get harald, basil and alfred as they are useful in battle. The only benefit i see from having justinian in campaign is the 10+ extra silver and 6+ extra metal you get from justinian's + theodora's bond which might help in more difficult hold the objective missions. If you did buy alfred, harald and basil, there are no more generals you should be buying, you should just wait for full game release so all the generals are unlocked. Justinian might be useful in future conquests which are difficult but at this stage i agree he isn't worth it. Bond bonuses are harder to get than I thought. They only apply if the generals are actually fielded. And I don’t think you can justify fielding them later on. So even this is probably not something you should go for. Well that’s 2300 down the drain. That’s what I get for trying to look for advice instead of trying to figure things out and get a feel for the game first.
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Post by torvestareborn on Feb 9, 2022 20:32:25 GMT
i agree with you justinian is probably not worth it, for the medals. you can farm 12.5k every 5 minutes which is the most efficient way. I don't recommend justinian for f2p tbh, he still has a use for autoconquest if you just want to afk and not pay attention. It's much more important to get harald, basil and alfred as they are useful in battle. The only benefit i see from having justinian in campaign is the 10+ extra silver and 6+ extra metal you get from justinian's + theodora's bond which might help in more difficult hold the objective missions. If you did buy alfred, harald and basil, there are no more generals you should be buying, you should just wait for full game release so all the generals are unlocked. Justinian might be useful in future conquests which are difficult but at this stage i agree he isn't worth it. Bond bonuses are harder to get than I thought. They only apply if the generals are actually fielded. And I don’t think you can justify fielding them later on. So even this is probably not something you should go for. Well that’s 2300 down the drain. That’s what I get for trying to look for advice instead of trying to figure things out and get a feel for the game first. i wouldn't say its down the drain, he just isn't a priority general like harald, basil or alfred. Once you get them, there is no one else to go for and purchasing justinian is justified. like i said he still has potential, just not now. When the game is fully released and the new conquests are out. Also he is still a decent range general, i've looked at the other premium range infantry generals and the only ones worth buying is el cid or edward the black prince, and both of them have flaws. I would still recommend having justinian in your lineup, even if you are f2p. The only difference is if your are f2p and you don't have richard, you don't get the extra 50 medals a day so you would have to get justinian later on. Even if you think it was a mistake to buy justinian, don't worry because you can farm thousands of medals from the treasures in hard mode. IF you are interested in a general final lineup, here is mine (i can make another thread giving reasons why they are included and not the others): charge cav: richard, alfred, basil (also can put on melee cav), joan (if you don't have richard) infantry melee: harald, belisarius, otto, (cesar & beowolf included if you bought proof of honour - not worth the price tho) counter infantry: robert the bruce range infantry: el cid or edward (i prefer el cid), justinian (best consult and still good enough range general) range cav: genghis, saladin (extra but not necessary)
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Post by stoic on Feb 11, 2022 13:06:37 GMT
I still don't have a slightest opinion about Justinian, but, I believe, it heavily depends on the income of medals we have in EW7. If it is like in EW6 1914 - then we simply don't need to look for "cheap alternatives", because we can afford best generals we like. If, on the other hand, it is more like in GoG3, then, of course, all alternative options should be taken into consideration.
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Post by torvestareborn on Feb 11, 2022 13:38:56 GMT
I still don't have a slightest opinion about Justinian, but, I believe, it heavily depends on the income of medals we have in EW7. If it is like in EW6 1914 - then we simply don't need to look for "cheap alternatives", because we can afford best generals we like. If, on the other hand, it is more like in GoG3, then, of course, all alternative options should be taken into consideration. i don't know the prices of the premium generals that are locked but i'm assuming they cost the same as gold generals or maybe a bit more expensive because they also require investment in their unique equipment. For example alfred costs 1.5k medals which is cheap and he is the 2nd best charge cav general after richard. If that's the case, then we would have enough medals to buy the best generals, you can farm thousands of medals from the treasure missions in hard mode, as well as all the other modes. Buying justinian is not a mistake, however buying silver generals and spending medals in the shop to buy resources is. Justinian has a lot of good things going for him.
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Post by Deleuzian on Feb 11, 2022 16:48:16 GMT
I still don't have a slightest opinion about Justinian, but, I believe, it heavily depends on the income of medals we have in EW7. If it is like in EW6 1914 - then we simply don't need to look for "cheap alternatives", because we can afford best generals we like. If, on the other hand, it is more like in GoG3, then, of course, all alternative options should be taken into consideration. Medal income is mediocre (about 5-60 a day I think?) but there are a lot of challenges that gives you medals. Also generals are the only place to spend medals anyway (besides the blue items which are not a priority). Anyways, I’m just hoarding my medals for the update myself Also why are you not on Discord anymore *sobs*
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Post by torvestareborn on Feb 11, 2022 17:56:02 GMT
I still don't have a slightest opinion about Justinian, but, I believe, it heavily depends on the income of medals we have in EW7. If it is like in EW6 1914 - then we simply don't need to look for "cheap alternatives", because we can afford best generals we like. If, on the other hand, it is more like in GoG3, then, of course, all alternative options should be taken into consideration. Medal income is mediocre (about 5-60 a day I think?) but there are a lot of challenges that gives you medals. Also generals are the only place to spend medals anyway (besides the blue items which are not a priority). Anyways, I’m just hoarding my medals for the update myself Also why are you not on Discord anymore *sobs* you are right to farm medals but the most important thing to do while waiting for update which might take a long time is to slowly unlock and upgrade varangian guards + noble cav from recruitment + shop. unit upgrades are probably more important than generals if you want to complete the game. im not sure exactly how many cards of a unit you need to max a unit. I know you need 30 to unlock and the max level is 15. The first 2 upgrades (lvl 1 and 2) requires 2 units, then 5 cards for lvl 3 and 4, 10 for lvl 5 and 6, 15, for 7 and 8. I've only reached lvl 7 for my varangian so when i get to lvl 8 i will know how many cards but i'm guessing it would be 20. so to get to lvl 10 which is pretty high but not near max, you would need a total of 124 units.
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Post by Deleuzian on Feb 12, 2022 1:34:22 GMT
Medal income is mediocre (about 5-60 a day I think?) but there are a lot of challenges that gives you medals. Also generals are the only place to spend medals anyway (besides the blue items which are not a priority). Anyways, I’m just hoarding my medals for the update myself Also why are you not on Discord anymore *sobs* you are right to farm medals but the most important thing to do while waiting for update which might take a long time is to slowly unlock and upgrade varangian guards + noble cav from recruitment + shop. unit upgrades are probably more important than generals if you want to complete the game. im not sure exactly how many cards of a unit you need to max a unit. I know you need 30 to unlock and the max level is 15. The first 2 upgrades (lvl 1 and 2) requires 2 units, then 5 cards for lvl 3 and 4, 10 for lvl 5 and 6, 15, for 7 and 8. I've only reached lvl 7 for my varangian so when i get to lvl 8 i will know how many cards but i'm guessing it would be 20. so to get to lvl 10 which is pretty high but not near max, you would need a total of 124 units. 20 for level 8 -> 9. I think unit cards will be farmable with whatever the third menu is (which is locked in beta). I think that’s what ‘stage’ means?
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Post by stoic on Feb 12, 2022 3:28:55 GMT
I still don't have a slightest opinion about Justinian, but, I believe, it heavily depends on the income of medals we have in EW7. If it is like in EW6 1914 - then we simply don't need to look for "cheap alternatives", because we can afford best generals we like. If, on the other hand, it is more like in GoG3, then, of course, all alternative options should be taken into consideration. Medal income is mediocre (about 5-60 a day I think?) but there are a lot of challenges that gives you medals. Also generals are the only place to spend medals anyway (besides the blue items which are not a priority). Anyways, I’m just hoarding my medals for the update myself Also why are you not on Discord anymore *sobs* Sorry, I was forced to uninstall it... again... because it was becoming more and more time-consuming.
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Post by Deleuzian on Feb 12, 2022 9:46:27 GMT
Medal income is mediocre (about 5-60 a day I think?) but there are a lot of challenges that gives you medals. Also generals are the only place to spend medals anyway (besides the blue items which are not a priority). Anyways, I’m just hoarding my medals for the update myself Also why are you not on Discord anymore *sobs* you are right to farm medals but the most important thing to do while waiting for update which might take a long time is to slowly unlock and upgrade varangian guards + noble cav from recruitment + shop. unit upgrades are probably more important than generals if you want to complete the game. im not sure exactly how many cards of a unit you need to max a unit. I know you need 30 to unlock and the max level is 15. The first 2 upgrades (lvl 1 and 2) requires 2 units, then 5 cards for lvl 3 and 4, 10 for lvl 5 and 6, 15, for 7 and 8. I've only reached lvl 7 for my varangian so when i get to lvl 8 i will know how many cards but i'm guessing it would be 20. so to get to lvl 10 which is pretty high but not near max, you would need a total of 124 units. How the heck did you get so many varangian unit cards though Must've took some INTENSE S&L
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Post by torvestareborn on Feb 12, 2022 10:12:25 GMT
you are right to farm medals but the most important thing to do while waiting for update which might take a long time is to slowly unlock and upgrade varangian guards + noble cav from recruitment + shop. unit upgrades are probably more important than generals if you want to complete the game. im not sure exactly how many cards of a unit you need to max a unit. I know you need 30 to unlock and the max level is 15. The first 2 upgrades (lvl 1 and 2) requires 2 units, then 5 cards for lvl 3 and 4, 10 for lvl 5 and 6, 15, for 7 and 8. I've only reached lvl 7 for my varangian so when i get to lvl 8 i will know how many cards but i'm guessing it would be 20. so to get to lvl 10 which is pretty high but not near max, you would need a total of 124 units. How the heck did you get so many varangian unit cards though Must've took some INTENSE S&L yes, i use S&L for recruitment and to reset shop. I do it all the time but it's passive, it takes very little time to do, most of the time is waiting so i just do something else, the game is just in the background. Everyone should be doing this if they want to finish the game, generals will only get you so far, the biggest difference is unit levels. you can finish this game easily with just templar knights/noble cavs and varangian guards if you can get them to a high level because they have charge. Don't need to worry about range units as much because they are not as strong in terms of damage output.
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