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Post by General William T. Sherman on Mar 4, 2016 23:20:23 GMT
WWI is a messy subject when it comes to what caused the war. Obviously, Franz Ferdinand's death was the spark that lit the fire, but there were many other reasons, such as:
Rising Nationalism in areas such as Germany and Italy
French ambitions to regain Alscace-Lorraine
Germany believing that war with Russia was necessary before it became industrialized
The Balkan Wars
The Italo-Turkish War
Colonial disagreements
Morocco Crises
The rising nationalism in the Austro-Hungarian domain such as in Czechoslovakia and Hungary
British Fears of German naval and industrial dominance in the coming years
These are just a few of the underlying issues.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Mar 5, 2016 1:30:38 GMT
Yeah, idk if this exists in English but in German I would say the killing of Ferdinand was "the drop that overflowed the bucket"
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Post by General Macarthur on Mar 5, 2016 1:33:15 GMT
Each country had alliances so when Austria declared war on Serbia Russia declared war on Austria Germany declared war on Russia... you get the point.
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Post by NetherFreek on Mar 5, 2016 7:27:48 GMT
Yeah, idk if this exists in English but in German I would say the killing of Ferdinand was "the drop that overflowed the bucket" its also a saying in the netherlands (de druppel die de emmer doet overlopen) |
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Post by Archduke Charles on Mar 5, 2016 9:48:19 GMT
"Dråpen som overfylte bøtta" On norwegian lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 11:34:33 GMT
If WW1 never started Hitler would not join the German Army and lead it to WW2 so if Ferdinad did not die WW1 and 2 would have not started. No ww1 would had happened anyway as it was a must, but they couldn't find a reason for starting it, so if archduke wouldn't die it would had started later |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Mar 5, 2016 14:45:49 GMT
If WW1 never started Hitler would not join the German Army and lead it to WW2 so if Ferdinad did not die WW1 and 2 would have not started. No ww1 would had happened anyway as it was a must, but they couldn't find a reason for starting it, so if archduke wouldn't die it would had started later You don't need a reason when you have Franz Xavier Conrad von Hötzendorf (I think that's his full name). He tried starting war 30(!) times in the years before WW1. His counter was Franz Ferdinand. Now Princip killing him was probably to stupidest thing he could've done. Franz Ferdinand did see the Slavs as subhuman and disliked the Hungarian but he put his empire's needs above his personal opinion so he was one of the few who tried not going to war with Russia as much as he could. He also would've added a union of Slavs to the empire making it a triple-monarchy. And the real question is, what if Hitler died in WW1? The answer is rather simple, the Nazis would've gotten someone else probably even better. And just with someone who knows what he's doing with his military could've changed the whole war into a German victory |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 16:24:26 GMT
No ww1 would had happened anyway as it was a must, but they couldn't find a reason for starting it, so if archduke wouldn't die it would had started later You don't need a reason when you have Franz Xavier Conrad von Hötzendorf (I think that's his full name). He tried starting war 30(!) times in the years before WW1. His counter was Franz Ferdinand. Now Princip killing him was probably to stupidest thing he could've done. Franz Ferdinand did see the Slavs as subhuman and disliked the Hungarian but he put his empire's needs above his personal opinion so he was one of the few who tried not going to war with Russia as much as he could. He also would've added a union of Slavs to the empire making it a triple-monarchy. And the real question is, what if Hitler died in WW1? The answer is rather simple, the Nazis would've gotten someone else probably even better. And just with someone who knows what he's doing with his military could've changed the whole war into a German victory Triple monarchy is called triarchy |
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Post by Moreau on Mar 5, 2016 20:37:27 GMT
No ww1 would had happened anyway as it was a must, but they couldn't find a reason for starting it, so if archduke wouldn't die it would had started later You don't need a reason when you have Franz Xavier Conrad von Hötzendorf (I think that's his full name). He tried starting war 30(!) times in the years before WW1. His counter was Franz Ferdinand. Now Princip killing him was probably to stupidest thing he could've done. Franz Ferdinand did see the Slavs as subhuman and disliked the Hungarian but he put his empire's needs above his personal opinion so he was one of the few who tried not going to war with Russia as much as he could. He also would've added a union of Slavs to the empire making it a triple-monarchy. And the real question is, what if Hitler died in WW1? The answer is rather simple, the Nazis would've gotten someone else probably even better. And just with someone who knows what he's doing with his military could've changed the whole war into a German victory True,blaming everything on germany and making an humilliating treaty and in general fk up Germany will trigger extreme nationalists etc |
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Post by Moreau on Mar 5, 2016 20:38:21 GMT
If america stated out there would be no ww2 and the ottoman empire might have survived
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Post by Jean Lannes on Mar 5, 2016 21:31:55 GMT
If america stated out there would be no ww2 and the ottoman empire might have survived The Ottoman Empire would've collapsed anyhow and WW2 would've still happened |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 20:46:14 GMT
You don't need a reason when you have Franz Xavier Conrad von Hötzendorf (I think that's his full name). He tried starting war 30(!) times in the years before WW1. His counter was Franz Ferdinand. Now Princip killing him was probably to stupidest thing he could've done. Franz Ferdinand did see the Slavs as subhuman and disliked the Hungarian but he put his empire's needs above his personal opinion so he was one of the few who tried not going to war with Russia as much as he could. He also would've added a union of Slavs to the empire making it a triple-monarchy. And the real question is, what if Hitler died in WW1? The answer is rather simple, the Nazis would've gotten someone else probably even better. And just with someone who knows what he's doing with his military could've changed the whole war into a German victory True,blaming everything on germany and making an humilliating treaty and in general fk up Germany will trigger extreme nationalists etc No, they needed a reason to attack Serbia, so without a proper reason they would have got all of the europe againts them |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Mar 6, 2016 21:38:40 GMT
The Light Bringer definitely not all, Germany, the Ottomans and the Bulgarians would all still join Austria's cause due to their own reasons, and Sweden, the Netherlands, etc. would still lean toward the C. Powers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 21:51:32 GMT
The Light Bringer definitely not all, Germany, the Ottomans and the Bulgarians would all still join Austria's cause due to their own reasons, and Sweden, the Netherlands, etc. would still lean toward the C. Powers. The turks would had jumped in to protect Serbia etc the situation would be different as Ferdinand almost stopped war, that's the main reason why he was killed |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Mar 6, 2016 22:12:36 GMT
The Light Bringer the Ottomans would not have joined in against Austria had Russia gotten involved first, which it would have.
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