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Post by zink on Mar 15, 2022 1:23:40 GMT
Who's a better investment? This post is more for the people who are down to the percent, like me   (courtesy of yuanzhong ) Maxed out Templars have 15 more attack and defense, and 5% more charge including the heavy armored charge skill (btw thats 100% on a Simeon with a Norman war horse) However the heavy armored still have more damage potential due to the 10% damage skill with mobility over 5 and another when charge is successful Templars on the other hand have 20% defense from ranged units which is decent, banner is okay? However when it comes to picking who to invest in its 100% the HAC if you don't have Richard at least due to HAC costing only about 80 souls whereas Templars are 200 Which is where my question comes in, I have level 4 Templars and if I dip all of my resources in souls of war I can get about 11-12k souls (137-150 frags, or 55-60 frags holy crap frags are spensive) I have 40 HAC fragments and was wondering, should I invest in Templars further or cut it there and invest in HAC instead because I also have other generals that need their units upgraded I'm leaning more towards HAC Also HAC is in the shop today, convenient TLDR; Me have Richard, templars or hac investment? 140 soul of war token price difference, around the same strength |
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Post by stoic on Mar 15, 2022 1:39:13 GMT
It is a question I am asking myself as well. In my situation as a f2p player I will probably choose HAC in the end. But if I had Richard and thus 30 fragments at the start, I would go for Templars. Besides, there is always a risk that they will nerf HAC one day because this unit is really close to tier 5 and 6 rivals.
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Post by randomperson on Mar 15, 2022 1:52:54 GMT
It will take 48800 souls to get max templars or 14640 for max heavy armoured calvary. That is of course assuming that more levels aren't added (the not open yet on yuanzhong's pictures is a bit frightening). This is 585 tier 5 units for HAC or 1952 tier 5 units for templars. This is not impossible but it will take a loooong time.
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Post by stoic on Mar 15, 2022 2:05:01 GMT
It will take 48800 souls to get max templars or 14640 for max heavy armoured calvary. That is of course assuming that more levels aren't added (the not open yet on yuanzhong's pictures is a bit frightening). This is 585 tier 5 units for HAC or 1952 tier 5 units for templars. This is not impossible but it will take a loooong time. Luckily there are other means to get fragments besides war souls. My guess though that fragments of tier 6 units will be a pain to obtain. |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 15, 2022 2:07:33 GMT
How do you get heavy armored cavalry fragments anyway other than souls of war anyway? They aren't available in the normal recruitment pool and I only have 10 from the conquest honor.
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Post by zink on Mar 15, 2022 2:13:17 GMT
It is a question I am asking myself as well. In my situation as a f2p player I will probably choose HAC in the end. But if I had Richard and thus 30 fragments at the start, I would go for Templars. Besides, there is always a risk that they will nerf HAC one day because this unit is really close to tier 5 and 6 rivals. Hmm thats true I might wait until after the update, melee cav is getting buffed so there's potential that its stats might get fixed It's also a direct upgrade to Norman knights which are also tier 4, the only difference is that the Norman unit general is accessible unlike the HAC (in the future) if I upgraded the HAC I could get it to around to level 12-14 unlike the Templars I could only get it to level 9 which really isn't that far off Getting really technical now Upgrading templars means I have 3 well upgraded units, but with HAC I have 2 well upgraded units and 1 that's only half or a third of their level depending on how much I upgrade it A level 6 templar has very similar stats to a level 11 HAC, gets a level 2 knight spear at that level and uses less souls to get there Now I'm leaning more Templar actually, depleting all of my resources to upgrading one or the other I lean HAC, but budgeting their soul usage I'm leaning more Templar |
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Post by zink on Mar 15, 2022 2:14:37 GMT
How do you get heavy armored cavalry fragments anyway other than souls of war anyway? They aren't available in the normal recruitment pool and I only have 10 from the conquest honor. I haven't completed Normandy yet so I don't know if they're unlocked after its finished but Burning Crusade is only 2 chapters away so thats not much of an issue |
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Post by zink on Mar 15, 2022 2:20:58 GMT
It will take 48800 souls to get max templars or 14640 for max heavy armoured calvary. That is of course assuming that more levels aren't added (the not open yet on yuanzhong's pictures is a bit frightening). This is 585 tier 5 units for HAC or 1952 tier 5 units for templars. This is not impossible but it will take a loooong time. wow that is a massive difference for the fact that they have very similar stats I have a level 4 templar right now, short term upgrades I actually use less fragments upgrading to a level 6 than upgrading a HAC all the way to a level 11 HAC and they have similar stats at that point If I plan on maxing out units then I'll def take HAC however if I budget for other units then I might take templars |
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Post by stoic on Mar 15, 2022 2:24:46 GMT
It is a question I am asking myself as well. In my situation as a f2p player I will probably choose HAC in the end. But if I had Richard and thus 30 fragments at the start, I would go for Templars. Besides, there is always a risk that they will nerf HAC one day because this unit is really close to tier 5 and 6 rivals. Hmm thats true I might wait until after the update, melee cav is getting buffed so there's potential that its stats might get fixed It's also a direct upgrade to Norman knights which are also tier 4, the only difference is that the Norman unit general is accessible unlike the HAC (in the future) if I upgraded the HAC I could get it to around to level 12-14 unlike the Templars I could only get it to level 9 which really isn't that far off Getting really technical now Upgrading templars means I have 3 well upgraded units, but with HAC I have 2 well upgraded units and 1 that's only half or a third of their level depending on how much I upgrade it A level 6 templar has very similar stats to a level 11 HAC, gets a level 2 knight spear at that level and uses less souls to get there Now I'm leaning more Templar actually, depleting all of my resources to upgrading one or the other I lean HAC, but budgeting their soul usage I'm leaning more Templar Btw, Justinian has HAC as his special unit  |
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Post by zink on Mar 15, 2022 2:38:16 GMT
Hmm thats true I might wait until after the update, melee cav is getting buffed so there's potential that its stats might get fixed It's also a direct upgrade to Norman knights which are also tier 4, the only difference is that the Norman unit general is accessible unlike the HAC (in the future) if I upgraded the HAC I could get it to around to level 12-14 unlike the Templars I could only get it to level 9 which really isn't that far off Getting really technical now Upgrading templars means I have 3 well upgraded units, but with HAC I have 2 well upgraded units and 1 that's only half or a third of their level depending on how much I upgrade it A level 6 templar has very similar stats to a level 11 HAC, gets a level 2 knight spear at that level and uses less souls to get there Now I'm leaning more Templar actually, depleting all of my resources to upgrading one or the other I lean HAC, but budgeting their soul usage I'm leaning more Templar Btw, Justinian has HAC as his special unit  Justinian uses HAAC, heavy-armored assault cavalry (that cav archer unit) William the conqueror uses HAC |
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Post by stoic on Mar 15, 2022 3:04:48 GMT
Btw, Justinian has HAC as his special unit Justinian uses HAAC, heavy-armored assault cavalry (that cav archer unit) William the conqueror uses HAC Oh, true, my bad |
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Post by randomperson on Mar 15, 2022 3:56:47 GMT
It will take 48800 souls to get max templars or 14640 for max heavy armoured calvary. That is of course assuming that more levels aren't added (the not open yet on yuanzhong's pictures is a bit frightening). This is 585 tier 5 units for HAC or 1952 tier 5 units for templars. This is not impossible but it will take a loooong time. Luckily there are other means to get fragments besides war souls. My guess though that fragments of tier 6 units will be a pain to obtain. I opened 100+ war gears and got 3 total tent fragments. If the chance is the same as that, getting templars will take a LOT of rerolling. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Mar 15, 2022 4:03:35 GMT
HAC and Templar fragments both have main source Recruit. The difficulty between lvl 4 and lvl 6 fragment is huge. You can easily get lvl 4 (about 4-5 reroll as single pull) but the story of lvl 6 is different (as the tent in wargear recruit, one day I can only get about 4 - 5 fragments if lucky while I can get about 30 lvl 5 advance pull as same time). If you choose HAC, it should stick with generals have Charge Cav Expert to get best result, I'm using lvl 8 Templar which have 83% charge rate but perfect charge still rarely happen (about 57% if we want mathematic calculation). The difference between 85% and 90% converting to perfect charge is 61% and 73%, it's a big gap IMO. HAC has better attack ability than Templar but templar has better survivability and damage booster is also very good (great if it's 10%  ). I will try to max them both but HAC with pure recruit and templar with recruit + soul convert. It's easy to lvl up tier 4 unit (I can easily lvl up my Ravenna to 12 within only 3 days after game released, yep I know we get many free Ravenna fragments but it's still easy ). The only thing I concern is the Description is exact or not. Yep it claim that Rhinoceros in shop but I never see it in shop although I reroll a lot (Until I can get at least 100 soul + 1 lvl 5 wargear fragment + wargear recuitment scroll per shop refresh). |
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Post by lunarclaws on Mar 15, 2022 7:22:35 GMT
If I'm gonna use my SoW it will be on tier 6 units. This is like woad/ravenna(bonus mobility terrain) vs mongol/mamluk
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Post by andrei on Mar 15, 2022 8:08:00 GMT
I'll get all the units upgraded!  I've already prepared myself to a EW5 type grind marathon |
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