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Post by best75 on Mar 28, 2022 13:58:31 GMT
I been told woad raiders and ravenna on a general with forced march are powerful together.
I assume Attila, Caesar, and Robin Hood as the best due to them being IAP generals.
Opinions on what generals are best for this combo? among the IAP and non IAP generals.
Another question, recommendations on what the 3rd unit to add to this combo?
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Post by Erich on Mar 28, 2022 14:24:29 GMT
If money is not a problem, til now I think the best is Robin Hood with his weapon; Attila comes at the second place.
For f2p, we should go with Narses, and put his Garrison Spearmen to protect those two. Perfect.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 28, 2022 14:30:24 GMT
I put it on any Archer regardless of having Forced March or not, it is just that good.
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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2022 14:36:24 GMT
If money is not a problem, til now I think the best is Robin Hood with his weapon; Attila comes at the second place. For f2p, we should go with Narses, and put his Garrison Spearmen to protect those two. Perfect. Robin's weapon is much worse than the one Atilla has. Plus Robin has worse modifiers due to his lower title. It is somewhat negated by his additional skills but not completely. |
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Post by Erich on Mar 28, 2022 15:45:58 GMT
If money is not a problem, til now I think the best is Robin Hood with his weapon; Attila comes at the second place. For f2p, we should go with Narses, and put his Garrison Spearmen to protect those two. Perfect. Robin's weapon is much worse than the one Atilla has. Plus Robin has worse modifiers due to his lower title. It is somewhat negated by his additional skills but not completely. Yes, I think Attila is more cost efficient. But if maxing everything out, the difference between those two is small. Attila has +22% damage from his bow, and 5% more damage than Robin from his title. Robin has level 4 Ranged tactician with +20% damage, and the Master of Archery active that +25% for each 5 turns (approximately 5% each turn), and he has more Inf/Archer Capability than Attila. The last thing, we all know that Robin should have Woad+Mamluk, so it’s better to spend money for Attila. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2022 19:42:50 GMT
Robin's weapon is much worse than the one Atilla has. Plus Robin has worse modifiers due to his lower title. It is somewhat negated by his additional skills but not completely. Yes, I think Attila is more cost efficient. But if maxing everything out, the difference between those two is small. Attila has +22% damage from his bow, and 5% more damage than Robin from his title. Robin has level 4 Ranged tactician with +20% damage, and the Master of Archery active that +25% for each 5 turns (approximately 5% each turn), and he has more Inf/Archer Capability than Attila. The last thing, we all know that Robin should have Woad+Mamluk, so it’s better to spend money for Attila. Why do You want infantry capability for Robin? Robin/Atilla either needs additional archer (it increases the damage per attack up to 25-30%) or cavalry to have +1 mobility (for additional attack per round). Definitely infantry is the worst unit to be used with these generals. PS: 1) Higher title is not only damage increase, but also damage reduction advantage. Which is also very important. 2) Due to the fact that Robin will always use woad raider his Master shooter will be less effective than Master shooter of Atilla in case Atilla switches from Woad to Mongolian. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 28, 2022 21:16:47 GMT
Yes, I think Attila is more cost efficient. But if maxing everything out, the difference between those two is small. Attila has +22% damage from his bow, and 5% more damage than Robin from his title. Robin has level 4 Ranged tactician with +20% damage, and the Master of Archery active that +25% for each 5 turns (approximately 5% each turn), and he has more Inf/Archer Capability than Attila. The last thing, we all know that Robin should have Woad+Mamluk, so it’s better to spend money for Attila. Why do You want infantry capability for Robin? Robin/Atilla either needs additional archer (it increases the damage per attack up to 25-30%) or cavalry to have +1 mobility (for additional attack per round). Definitely infantry is the worst unit to be used with these generals. PS: 1) Higher title is not only damage increase, but also damage reduction advantage. Which is also very important. 2) Due to the fact that Robin will always use woad raider his Master shooter will be less effective than Master shooter of Atilla in case Atilla switches from Woad to Mongolian. That 1 additional movement provided by cavalry will only make a significant difference if you have a lvl 3 Rhinoceros. But I do agree that infantry doesn't matter that much on Robin. Edit: Master Shooter on Robin IS less effective than that on Attila. It does NOT apply to Woad. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2022 21:36:35 GMT
Why do You want infantry capability for Robin? Robin/Atilla either needs additional archer (it increases the damage per attack up to 25-30%) or cavalry to have +1 mobility (for additional attack per round). Definitely infantry is the worst unit to be used with these generals. PS: 1) Higher title is not only damage increase, but also damage reduction advantage. Which is also very important. 2) Due to the fact that Robin will always use woad raider his Master shooter will be less effective than Master shooter of Atilla in case Atilla switches from Woad to Mongolian. Woad doesn't make Robin's Master Shooter worse than Attila's, and that 1 additional movement provided by cavalry will only make a significant difference if you have a lvl 3 Rhinoceros. But I do agree that infantry doesn't matter that much on Robin. Woad raider uses Javelin. Master shooter doesn't work with Javelin. As I understand Javelin's attack is modified by Master Skirmisher. Do You have confirmed information that Javelin's attack is covered by Master Shooter? |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 28, 2022 21:58:17 GMT
Woad doesn't make Robin's Master Shooter worse than Attila's, and that 1 additional movement provided by cavalry will only make a significant difference if you have a lvl 3 Rhinoceros. But I do agree that infantry doesn't matter that much on Robin. Woad raider uses Javelin. Master shooter doesn't work with Javelin. As I understand Javelin's attack is modified by Master Skirmisher. Do You have confirmed information that Javelin's attack is covered by Master Shooter? No, but I don't think you will build a legion without a unit that triggers Master Shooter. It will cover all ranged units in the legion once triggered, including Woad. I've been told that ranged cav are more durable than defense inf but I can't make sense of it. Do you have any idea? |
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Post by eeeeef on Mar 28, 2022 22:02:30 GMT
Woad raider uses Javelin. Master shooter doesn't work with Javelin. As I understand Javelin's attack is modified by Master Skirmisher. Do You have confirmed information that Javelin's attack is covered by Master Shooter? No, but I don't think you will build a legion without a unit that triggers Master Shooter. It will cover all ranged units in the legion once triggered, including Woad. I've been told that ranged cav are more durable than defense inf but I can't make sense of it. Do you have any idea? Well range cav do have less hp but they compensate with the chance to dodge. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2022 22:35:38 GMT
Woad raider uses Javelin. Master shooter doesn't work with Javelin. As I understand Javelin's attack is modified by Master Skirmisher. Do You have confirmed information that Javelin's attack is covered by Master Shooter? No, but I don't think you will build a legion without a unit that triggers Master Shooter. It will cover all ranged units in the legion once triggered, including Woad. I've been told that ranged cav are more durable than defense inf but I can't make sense of it. Do you have any idea? Regarding ranged cav.. I have no idea how exactly damage is calculated when dodge is involved (I think it is calculated as damage reduction rather than miss) but maybe it is because of that ranged cav is more durable. PS: What is the difference between Master shooter and Master Skirmisher skills? PSS: ET has already given Master Swordsman skill to Otto, who has Teutonic axeman as special unit. So I don't see any discrepancy in the fact that Robin's Master Shooter is not working with Woad Raider  |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 28, 2022 22:43:45 GMT
No, but I don't think you will build a legion without a unit that triggers Master Shooter. It will cover all ranged units in the legion once triggered, including Woad. I've been told that ranged cav are more durable than defense inf but I can't make sense of it. Do you have any idea? Regarding ranged cav.. I have no idea how exactly damage is calculated when dodge is involved (I think it is calculated as damage reduction rather than miss) but maybe it is because of that ranged cav is more durable. PS: What is the difference between Master shooter and Master Skirmisher skills? PSS: ET has already given Master Swordsman skill to Otto, who has Teutonic axeman as special unit. So I don't see any discrepancy in the fact that Robin's Master Shooter is not working with Woad Raider Edit: the previous statement is NOT TRUE. It is purely my misunderstanding on game mechanics. Master Shooter and Skirmisher do NOT stack and they ONLY apply to the units with the respective weapon. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2022 22:52:07 GMT
Regarding ranged cav.. I have no idea how exactly damage is calculated when dodge is involved (I think it is calculated as damage reduction rather than miss) but maybe it is because of that ranged cav is more durable. PS: What is the difference between Master shooter and Master Skirmisher skills? PSS: ET has already given Master Swordsman skill to Otto, who has Teutonic axeman as special unit. So I don't see any discrepancy in the fact that Robin's Master Shooter is not working with Woad Raider  The difference between Shooter and Skirmisher is Shooter is triggered by units using Archery, Crossbow, Longbow, and Arquebus, whereas Skirmisher is by Rock Slinger, Javelin, and Throwing Axe. The thing they have in common is their bonus applies to ALL ranged units in the legion once triggered. For example, if Lupicinus has the Woad+Ravenna combination, he will get a 12% bonus that applies to both units. You mean if I give Lancelot Elephant + Templar both units will receive bonus from both skills at the same time? That's quite strong. Is it confirmed? It sounds pretty strange... I assume that damage formula has been somewhat revealed. Otherwise how is it confirmed that skills are applied for the overall damage of the whole legion? |
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Post by Erich on Mar 29, 2022 0:13:31 GMT
I think that’s true, damage is boosted for all range/melee unit when those weapon skills triggered. The text says exactly that when I change language to Chinese.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 29, 2022 5:55:14 GMT
The difference between Shooter and Skirmisher is Shooter is triggered by units using Archery, Crossbow, Longbow, and Arquebus, whereas Skirmisher is by Rock Slinger, Javelin, and Throwing Axe. The thing they have in common is their bonus applies to ALL ranged units in the legion once triggered. For example, if Lupicinus has the Woad+Ravenna combination, he will get a 12% bonus that applies to both units. You mean if I give Lancelot Elephant + Templar both units will receive bonus from both skills at the same time? That's quite strong. Is it confirmed? It sounds pretty strange... I assume that damage formula has been somewhat revealed. Otherwise how is it confirmed that skills are applied for the overall damage of the whole legion? I just checked with others that it is not confirmed for melee weapons. The testers are getting inconsistent results. So it's better to assume they don't stack. You were right for ranged. Robin's Woad doesn't enjoy Master Shooter's bonus. Shooter and Skirmisher are confirmed that they do not stack and only apply to the users of the weapon. |
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