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Post by nikomachos on Dec 24, 2022 15:44:37 GMT
sry still running with woad xD but by now i dont think i want to loose chase anyway.
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Post by conkueror on Dec 24, 2022 20:47:28 GMT
Imo mongol raiders are definitely worth it. Timur and Subutai perhaps the best pure archers and they can both have very strong IBC+mongol+mamluk combo.
And about gems, red can pretty much replace any capability gems with much better results, except if you need some for gem combo (and ofc yellow gems for subutai and genghis).
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Post by stoic on Dec 24, 2022 21:38:37 GMT
Imo mongol raiders are definitely worth it. Timur and Subutai perhaps the best pure archers and they can both have very strong IBC+mongol+mamluk combo. And about gems, red can pretty much replace any capability gems with much better results, except if you need some for gem combo (and ofc yellow gems for subutai and genghis). I agree that the above mentioned combo is quite powerful in offense. But in comparison to Mamlukes and IBC defence of Mongolian Raiders is low. I don't know for sure, of course, but I have suspicion that it may be an issue in later hard mode campaigns and treasure missions. andrei mentioned that those missions require a lot of drums. But that means our units have to survive after enemy's attack. Are Mongolian Raiders able to survive - it is a question I don't have an answer to. Btw, I find red and yellow gems quite close if judged by results     |
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Post by andrei on Dec 25, 2022 8:28:39 GMT
Imo mongol raiders are definitely worth it. Timur and Subutai perhaps the best pure archers and they can both have very strong IBC+mongol+mamluk combo. And about gems, red can pretty much replace any capability gems with much better results, except if you need some for gem combo (and ofc yellow gems for subutai and genghis). I agree that the above mentioned combo is quite powerful in offense. But in comparison to Mamlukes and IBC defence of Mongolian Raiders is low. I don't know for sure, of course, but I have suspicion that it may be an issue in later hard mode campaigns and treasure missions. andrei mentioned that those missions require a lot of drums. But that means our units have to survive after enemy's attack. Are Mongolian Raiders able to survive - it is a question I don't have an answer to. Btw, I find red and yellow gems quite close if judged by results Yeah, Mongolian riders are weak. But I think profit is higher. Very good unit. With last treasure missions any gen/unit will be struggling anyway  |
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Post by jonblend on Dec 25, 2022 12:21:26 GMT
Imo mongol raiders are definitely worth it. Timur and Subutai perhaps the best pure archers and they can both have very strong IBC+mongol+mamluk combo. And about gems, red can pretty much replace any capability gems with much better results, except if you need some for gem combo (and ofc yellow gems for subutai and genghis). I agree that the above mentioned combo is quite powerful in offense. But in comparison to Mamlukes and IBC defence of Mongolian Raiders is low. I don't know for sure, of course, but I have suspicion that it may be an issue in later hard mode campaigns and treasure missions. andrei mentioned that those missions require a lot of drums. But that means our units have to survive after enemy's attack. Are Mongolian Raiders able to survive - it is a question I don't have an answer to. Btw, I find red and yellow gems quite close if judged by results I guess I'm too late  but still my opinion on MR: -wouldn't buy them for medals or coins, for souls yes because in this case t5 units have the biggest price advantage over t6 units but overall they only have medium priority for f2p who don't have subutai's weapon
-they are really frail since they suffer from being in the 3rd slot which means they will be the detour target and melee cav also have a weapon bonus against them
-before investing into MR try out woad raiders. You probably have them at (close to) lv18 anyways and you can see how much you like trading damage output for mobility/attacking more often
Buying several red gems today allowed me to enter the "Rapid March era" and this gives a boost to more generals and unit combinations than just archer legions. And for your test results, an argument could be made that you get a low dmg roll for the red gems and a high one for yellow  (and it's unfair to compare lv4 and lv3 yellow to 2x lv3 red)
By eliminating damage randomization, Basil and Martel give more representative results and the art of using red gems to their fullest includes spreading them over as many pieces of equipment as possible.
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Post by stoic on Dec 25, 2022 14:42:58 GMT
I agree that the above mentioned combo is quite powerful in offense. But in comparison to Mamlukes and IBC defence of Mongolian Raiders is low. I don't know for sure, of course, but I have suspicion that it may be an issue in later hard mode campaigns and treasure missions. andrei mentioned that those missions require a lot of drums. But that means our units have to survive after enemy's attack. Are Mongolian Raiders able to survive - it is a question I don't have an answer to. Btw, I find red and yellow gems quite close if judged by results I guess I'm too late but still my opinion on MR: -wouldn't buy them for medals or coins, for souls yes because in this case t5 units have the biggest price advantage over t6 units but overall they only have medium priority for f2p who don't have subutai's weapon
-they are really frail since they suffer from being in the 3rd slot which means they will be the detour target and melee cav also have a weapon bonus against them
-before investing into MR try out woad raiders. You probably have them at (close to) lv18 anyways and you can see how much you like trading damage output for mobility/attacking more often
Buying several red gems today allowed me to enter the "Rapid March era" and this gives a boost to more generals and unit combinations than just archer legions. And for your test results, an argument could be made that you get a low dmg roll for the red gems and a high one for yellow (and it's unfair to compare lv4 and lv3 yellow to 2x lv3 red)
By eliminating damage randomization, Basil and Martel give more representative results and the art of using red gems to their fullest includes spreading them over as many pieces of equipment as possible.
After some considerations I decided to buy JBAC fragments and my 20k disappeared as yesterday's mirage  |
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Post by andrei on Dec 25, 2022 15:52:36 GMT
I guess I'm too late but still my opinion on MR: -wouldn't buy them for medals or coins, for souls yes because in this case t5 units have the biggest price advantage over t6 units but overall they only have medium priority for f2p who don't have subutai's weapon
-they are really frail since they suffer from being in the 3rd slot which means they will be the detour target and melee cav also have a weapon bonus against them
-before investing into MR try out woad raiders. You probably have them at (close to) lv18 anyways and you can see how much you like trading damage output for mobility/attacking more often
Buying several red gems today allowed me to enter the "Rapid March era" and this gives a boost to more generals and unit combinations than just archer legions. And for your test results, an argument could be made that you get a low dmg roll for the red gems and a high one for yellow (and it's unfair to compare lv4 and lv3 yellow to 2x lv3 red)
By eliminating damage randomization, Basil and Martel give more representative results and the art of using red gems to their fullest includes spreading them over as many pieces of equipment as possible.
After some considerations I decided to buy JBAC fragments and my 20k disappeared as yesterday's mirage Was thinking about the same. But decided to wait for new Chinese heavy cav. In case it won't have forest/mountain movement will do it |
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Post by stoic on Dec 25, 2022 16:26:22 GMT
After some considerations I decided to buy JBAC fragments and my 20k disappeared as yesterday's mirage Was thinking about the same. But decided to wait for new Chinese heavy cav. In case it won't have forest/mountain movement will do it I am more intrigued by additional skills units unlock at lvl 20 (I hope they won't increase levels more than that). Potentially it can be game-changing. Just imagine that some units get an equivalent of Rumor or something like that |
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Post by andrei on Dec 25, 2022 17:26:44 GMT
Was thinking about the same. But decided to wait for new Chinese heavy cav. In case it won't have forest/mountain movement will do it I am more intrigued by additional skills units unlock at lvl 20 (I hope they won't increase levels more than that). Potentially it can be game-changing. Just imagine that some units get an equivalent of Rumor or something like that Yeah, also waiting for this moment. Any unit could become op |
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Post by yuanzhong on Dec 26, 2022 4:05:07 GMT
Was thinking about the same. But decided to wait for new Chinese heavy cav. In case it won't have forest/mountain movement will do it I am more intrigued by additional skills units unlock at lvl 20 (I hope they won't increase levels more than that). Potentially it can be game-changing. Just imagine that some units get an equivalent of Rumor or something like that Sadly, I prepare the number of fragments for my Templar enough for lvl 21  |
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Post by lafluth on Dec 26, 2022 8:37:44 GMT
My crude take on MR fwiw (as f2p at a medium state of progress) is that they only matter for Subutai who needs them to get the bonus. On jonblend’s advice (thank you!) I switched 1 ibc for a lvl 18 woad on my timur and it completely changed it. Forest movement makes such a big difference, now timur can quickly go where I need him to be and it makes him so much more useful.
I guess much later in the game, like in 6 months time lol, if I ever get MRs to lvl 12 or so, the trade off might be different but right now I would not trade my maxed woad for a low level MR. I have many other units I want to spend resources on before looking at MR. Like jbc, ibc, varangian, or even hengdao or bag.
Even putting rapid march on timur to benefit from +1 mobility of MR is not that appealing… I just give him a mobility gem and achieve the same result already.
Another substantial benefit of using woad is that we can get a cool +10% damage boost from using a good and easy 2-gem combo on a gold equipment using red and yellow gem combo… all good stuff.
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Post by stoic on Dec 26, 2022 9:29:54 GMT
I am more intrigued by additional skills units unlock at lvl 20 (I hope they won't increase levels more than that). Potentially it can be game-changing. Just imagine that some units get an equivalent of Rumor or something like that Sadly, I prepare the number of fragments for my Templar enough for lvl 21 I really hope it won't be neccesary. Every process should have its logical conclusion |
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Post by yuanzhong on Dec 26, 2022 10:00:19 GMT
Sadly, I prepare the number of fragments for my Templar enough for lvl 21 I really hope it won't be neccesary. Every process should have its logical conclusion I saw on discord sb report hack has lvl 20 units, 1 star 2 arrows with silver color, it should be gold so I thank at least lvl 21 is the max lvl of units. |
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Post by stoic on Dec 26, 2022 10:47:02 GMT
I really hope it won't be neccesary. Every process should have its logical conclusion I saw on discord sb report hack has lvl 20 units, 1 star 2 arrows with silver color, it should be gold so I thank at least lvl 21 is the max lvl of units. It could well be like in GCR when some special units are one level higher than the rest. |
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Post by best75 on Jan 16, 2023 23:07:17 GMT
The next flash sale is on 20th to 27th of this month.
Whole week so we get a chance to buy each of the 7 gem types available in the shop at the discount.
I been thinking of how to spend my medal stockpile.
There looks to be 3 clear choices
Directly buy unit fragment
Mercenary Order
Gems
I don't feel like we are getting enough gems to get them to level 5 at a reasonable rate so I am definitely giving gems considerable this time.
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but still my opinion on MR: 
