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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 4, 2022 20:23:32 GMT
I personally really like the efficiency of the Customary System and I think that more places should use it. It just intuitively makes sense for a standard person.
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Post by blueberry on Jun 4, 2022 20:54:55 GMT
I personally really like the efficiency of the Customary System and I think that more places should use it. It just intuitively makes sense for a standard person. Do you really find more efficient having to remember that 12 inches make a foot, 3 feet make a yard, 1760 yards make a mile, rather than just go by multiples of ten? I mean, there was a character in the novel 1984 that complained about how he couldn't understand the new measurements and he just wanted to drink his usual pint of beer (or whatever that was, now I can't recall), but the introduction of the metric system is really the only good thing that can be associated with the dystopian government in the novel! If Orwell wanted to show how bad the metric system is, he utterly failed, as far as I'm concerned...  |
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Post by Kliment JefremovitΕ‘ VoroΕ‘ilov on Jun 4, 2022 21:00:16 GMT
The Si is: 1. Objectively simpler and easier to use. As blueberry said inches and feet don't make any sense. Neither do farenheits or pounds. Celsius/Kelvin is just easier, 0 is the freezing point of water, 100 is the boiling point. Then weight and many other measurements are just easier to do with Si (change my mind). 2. It's used internationally in science. |
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Post by blueberry on Jun 4, 2022 21:04:42 GMT
Btw, I didn't choose any option in the poll. My answer to the question would be: "the metric system is way simpler to use, but if the anglo-saxon countries still want to use other measures, so be it..."
I don't think the USA would scrap it in the foreseeable future...
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 4, 2022 21:24:36 GMT
While the conversion factors are a bit wonky, IMO it is much easier to get an idea of the actual amount when using the customary system (i.e. inch is around the size of intermediate phalanges, foot about the size of the foot, pound being the weight of a pint of water, gallon being 231 cubic inches, or the size of a large wine bottle of old, etc.)
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Post by blueberry on Jun 4, 2022 21:58:16 GMT
While the conversion factors are a bit wonky, IMO it is much easier to get an idea of the actual amount when using the customary system (i.e. inch is around the size of intermediate phalanges, foot about the size of the foot, pound being the weight of a pint of water, gallon being 231 cubic inches, or the size of a large wine bottle of old, etc.) That's just a matter of habit. You visualize those measures like that, and I visualize SI measures differently: a meter is more or less a long step, a liter is just the amount contained in milk bottles, a kilogram is the weight of normal packets of sugar or flour. Just different references which people can grow accustomed to, while it's undeniable that calculations are easier with the metric system. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 13, 2022 15:42:07 GMT
While the conversion factors are a bit wonky, IMO it is much easier to get an idea of the actual amount when using the customary system (i.e. inch is around the size of intermediate phalanges, foot about the size of the foot, pound being the weight of a pint of water, gallon being 231 cubic inches, or the size of a large wine bottle of old, etc.) The SI is so much more usefull. A meter is one step of an adult. Is very easy to measure something the field. +-20% By definition a meter if the 40 000 000 part of the lenght of the Equator. A liter L is the volumme of a cube with the length of 1/10 of a meter. 1000L = 1mΒ³ And the best: 1kg is the weight of one liter of water. IE: I have directly an impression how many water goes in a swimming pool and how much is the weight. I want to see your calculations. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jun 29, 2022 16:34:19 GMT
I personally really like the efficiency of the Customary System and I think that more places should use it. It just intuitively makes sense for a standard person. I have a challenge for you: Time yourself doing these math problems without a calculator. Simply convert: US Customary System: 71.42 tons to stones. Metric: 4724570925093687389077975975809580932850983509718959874.1237583954798179729509457059081589 kilometers to meters. If you want the conversion rates as a little hint: US Customary:
1 Ton = 142.857 stones
Metric:
1 kimometer = 1000 meters |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 29, 2022 16:49:27 GMT
I personally really like the efficiency of the Customary System and I think that more places should use it. It just intuitively makes sense for a standard person. I have a challenge for you: Time yourself doing these math problems without a calculator. Simply convert: US Customary System: 71.42 tons to stones. Metric: 4724570925093687389077975975809580932850983509718959874.1237583954798179729509457059081589 kilometers to meters. If you want the conversion rates as a little hint: US Customary:
1 Ton = 142.857 stones
Metric:
1 kimometer = 1000 meters Dangit, I can't do either. I don't have a sheet of paper on me. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 30, 2022 20:39:43 GMT
Dangit, I can't do either. I don't have a sheet of paper on me. Exactly this ! is the reason, why the metric system is so much better.Are You jokeing? Measures and calculations are so much easier, you dont need any calculator / paper. You just prooved the failiure of the Customary System. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 30, 2022 20:54:11 GMT
Dangit, I can't do either. I don't have a sheet of paper on me. Exactly this ! is the reason, why the metric system is so much better.Are You jokeing? Measures and calculations are so much easier, you dont need any calculator / paper. You just prooved the failiure of the Customary System. I could not do either one without pen or paper, even if the other one was simply multiplying by 10^-3. I just need either a calculator or pen and paper to do math - I just need to have a visual in front of me. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 30, 2022 21:07:46 GMT
Exactly this ! is the reason, why the metric system is so much better.Are You jokeing? Measures and calculations are so much easier, you dont need any calculator / paper. You just prooved the failiure of the Customary System. I could not do either one without pen or paper, even if the other one was simply multiplying by 10^-3. I just need either a calculator or pen and paper to do math - I just need to have a visual in front of me. For the conversion from Meter to Kilometer just cut the last three digits. (Works akso on Weight, Voltage,, pressure ... evrythinng) A cube meter of water weights exactly 1t (1000 Kg or 1 000 000g) 1 cube meter of stone around 2t. A good step is one meter - fingertip to fingertip your height β 2m. When you thiink about a paper I have already an Idea how heavy a mountain is. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jul 1, 2022 0:05:02 GMT
I could not do either one without pen or paper, even if the other one was simply multiplying by 10^-3. I just need either a calculator or pen and paper to do math - I just need to have a visual in front of me. For the conversion from Meter to Kilometer just cut the last three digits. (Works akso on Weight, Voltage,, pressure ... evrythinng) A cube meter of water weights exactly 1t (1000 Kg or 1 000 000g) 1 cube meter of stone around 2t. A good step is one meter - fingertip to fingertip your height β 2m. When you thiink about a paper I have already an Idea how heavy a mountain is. However, the imperial system has units that are more convenient for everyday use. e.g. feet and inches are far easier to use in making everyday measurements than centimeters and decimeters, purely in the fact that they are both at a good length so that when one is inefficient to use, the other becomes efficient. The same is not true with the metric system. For example, if I have 259 centimeters, then it can be written as 259cm, 25.9dm, or 2.59m, all of which are rather awkward. With 259", however, it can be written easily as 21'7", or 3 yards and 7". As for conversions, it is admittedly easier in the metric system, but I argue that for everyday use, you don't really need them. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jul 1, 2022 10:27:33 GMT
However, the imperial system has units that are more convenient for everyday use. e.g. feet and inches are far easier to use in making everyday measurements than centimeters and decimeters, purely in the fact that they are both at a good length so that when one is inefficient to use, the other becomes efficient. The same is not true with the metric system. For example, if I have 259 centimeters, then it can be written as 259cm, 25.9dm, or 2.59m, all of which are rather awkward. With 259", however, it can be written easily as 21'7", or 3 yards and 7". As for conversions, it is admittedly easier in the metric system, but I argue that for everyday use, you don't really need them. Conversions are the biggest problem of any non metric systems. There are NO conversions at all, in a metric system!All units can be written in the short way using the easy decimal multipler: 1 k (kilo) = 1e3 = 1 000 1 M (mega) = 1e6 = 1 000 000 1 g (giga) = 1e9 = 1 000 000 000 1 t (tera) = 1e12 = 1 000 000 000 000 1 P (peta) = 1e15 = 1 000 000 000 000 000 and for smaller units: 1 d (deci) = 1e-1 = 1 / 10 1 c (centi) = 1e-2 = 1 / 100 1 m (milli) = 1e-3 = 1 / 1 000 1 Β΅ (micro) = 1e-6 = 1 / 1 000 000 1 n (nano) = 1e-9 = 1 / 1 000 000 000 1 p (pico) = 1e-12 = 1 / 1 000 000 000 000 deci and centi are only used for common units IE Deci-Bel [dB] or Centi-Meter [cm]. Conversions for length start only with Astronomical Units, lightyears and Parasec. Your example 2,59m is 101.9685 inches (thumbs) or 8.497 feet - how many thumbs are one feet? Or as you said 21'7" - you need even an extra way of writing the numbers because 21'1" < 21'7" < 21'11" right ? Or belogs this only to the "british metric system" ? BTW: 21'7" means 21 minutes and 7 seconds You learned all the creppy units and conversations, so now you can use your units in life, but they are not easier than one meter (nothing more is used !) A thumb " is recognizable I agree, but how do you measure without tools a yard? or a Gallon? How much is a mile? How to measure one lb? (... And I don't need any paper) What you completly oversee is: all metric units are interoperable (again without any convesion) - I am curious how you define pressure for example, as lb / thumbΒ² ? |
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