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Post by Ralyks on Jun 29, 2022 14:10:08 GMT
I think its when you defeat the Othsogohts and Alemeni they appear. Because I am able to defeat the Visigoths in first 3-4 turns as WRE by basically taking their capital. Overall very excellent guide, I would say this is the most detailed conquest guides by far on the entire forum. However, I do have a few suggestions. Osogothic kingdom should be normal diffculty because your position is not ideal at all because ur surrounded by the Franks to the North, Byzantines to the east, and Vandals to the south. Visigoths should be easy because you could easily conquer Frankish kingdom early on. Also, for Cruader states, I would say that Tripoli should be listed as hard because of its crap economy and starting position. However, once again I this guide was excellent. I really hope ET makes hard mode conquest because for this game conquests become too easy once you have good gens. Two attempts were done to spell Ostrogoths, two attempts failed 
About this second quote, Ostrogoths I'm firm on easy as although they're surrounded by kingdoms, they all start neutral with you, and with Justinian, they'll remain to do so (except for Vandals), so you only have to face pirates and whoever you want, not all of them just because they're around you. You have a lot of start potential so you dont even need to be invading others, you can just focus on the invading factions and befriend the surviving factions. After taking down Pirates and Mauri, you should focus Byzantines Expedition and Byzantines, as they're your faction's objectives, but you even start on good terms with them, so no feel free to focus those factions that indeed will go for you.
Visigoths I have tweaked the guide for it, but I still think they're yellow because of the amount of pirates and 2 factions solely focusing you, and your economy is one of the worst 3 stars (only ahead of the Vandals, which shouldn't be considered 3 stars)
Tripoli was already on hard, actually the only hard one from this Conquest. Antioch was almost hard as well, but starting with tavern in the frontier along with your main opponent's capital just at your side and already damaged makes your weak early game much better.
-- Thanks truhses , awsome4444 and javier for the feedback, will add it along a visual separator between different factions, that should also help to read them easier.
There's clearly some trigger to some invaders (except for the second and third Conquest afaik), but I think that if the trigger doesn't occur, they'll still join on a specific turn. Why is it obvious there's a trigger sometimes? Because it didn't happen at the start of a round, but they joined twice when it was my turn, instead of at the start of some round (talking about Huns). In the 4th, I think Crusaders will join if Crusader factions are struggling and Seljuk when Muslim factions are, Cumans are a weird case though, I think its fixed at round 35? Not sure though, I normally ended up winning without reaching that round, and they were not joining.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jun 29, 2022 14:20:18 GMT
Huns spawn when 25 cities are captured Is this an alternative trigger for an early appearance? Is it belligerent specific or just for WRE? If not an alternative, they do not appear only when you hit 25 cities exactly. They showed up when I have far fewer cities, which was most of the time.
Also, I'm fairly sure the Huns start off with passage agreements with the Ostrogoths and Alemanni. Ralyks, I have provided either exact or ranges for the appearance of hostile invaders, without tripping special triggers, in other threads. Some were discussed more in-depth because there were apparently other or additional triggers. The Crusader States conquest is the most problematic one: european-war-4.boards.net/thread/17480/2022-update-1-5-info?page=17- Huns on Turn 15. - Viking reinforcements on Turn 15. - Scandinavian lands on Turn 20. - Mauri on Turn 15. - Avars on Turn 30. - HRE Crusaders on Turn 12-15 with the fall of all Crusader states (or perhaps just the Kingdom of Jerusalem). - French Crusaders on Turn 20 with the fall of all Crusader states (or perhaps just the Kingdom of Jerusalem). - Cumans-Kipchaks on Turn 35. - Seljuk Empire when certain Arab/Turkish-Muslim states are defeated. Guaranteed triggers are the Ayyubid Empire and Sultanate of Rûm. |
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Post by abolfazlashian on Jun 30, 2022 5:07:52 GMT
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Post by Ralyks on Jun 30, 2022 8:53:48 GMT
Huns spawn when 25 cities are captured Is this an alternative trigger for an early appearance? Is it belligerent specific or just for WRE? If not an alternative, they do not appear only when you hit 25 cities exactly. They showed up when I have far fewer cities, which was most of the time.
Also, I'm fairly sure the Huns start off with passage agreements with the Ostrogoths and Alemanni. Ralyks , I have provided either exact or ranges for the appearance of hostile invaders, without tripping special triggers, in other threads. Some were discussed more in-depth because there were apparently other or additional triggers. The Crusader States conquest is the most problematic one: european-war-4.boards.net/thread/17480/2022-update-1-5-info?page=17- Huns on Turn 15. - Viking reinforcements on Turn 15. - Scandinavian lands on Turn 20. - Mauri on Turn 15. - Avars on Turn 30. - HRE Crusaders on Turn 12-15 with the fall of all Crusader states (or perhaps just the Kingdom of Jerusalem). - French Crusaders on Turn 20 with the fall of all Crusader states (or perhaps just the Kingdom of Jerusalem). - Cumans-Kipchaks on Turn 35. - Seljuk Empire when certain Arab/Turkish-Muslim states are defeated. Guaranteed triggers are the Ayyubid Empire and Sultanate of Rûm.
While I thank you for providing information, I sadly must say not all of that is correct. Luckily, there's logs registered whenever you get hegemony on a Conquest.
For Huns, I think I'm going to go back to my original 8/15/20 turn depending on if you're 3/2/1 star faction respectively, worked for me. I couldn't test the 25 cities theory, as its hard to track as its not only you the one that may raise the number. For Vikings, I think I got them sometimes on 15, but once in turn 12, but this isn't registered, and its just me trying to remember. Maybe if you weaken them enough, they'll come sooner. For Danes, I agree, in all 4 registered I have, they joined on 869AD, meaning turn 20
For Mauri, both that I have registered, they joined on turn 10 (Winter of 533). Could you please double check that 15 and tell me as who you got it? Avars on 30 I agree, in both it was 30.
Last campaign, this one is tricky. The numbers I'll give for these are the ones I got in my 5 hegemony runs. The first for each is the same run, and so is all of the second, and so on. I played Cicilia (41 turns), Ayyubid (31), Abbasid (37) Eldiguzids (32) and Jerusalem (25), notice how my turns drop, likely because getting more experience with Conquests and I have better troops and gens as time goes on.
-HRE joined on round 14 (this one even before Jerusalem was defeated, which did on turn 18), 10 (Jerusalem fell on the 4th turn), 16, 14, never joined
-France joined on round 22, 18, 22, never joined
-Seljuk joined on round 17 (just immediately after Zengid died, so I think this may be a trigger), never joined, never joined, never joined, 10 (just after defeating the Ayyubid as Jerusalem, and relation with other Muslim factions started to deteriorate, when they were rising before)
-Cumans-Kipchaks joined on 35, never joined, joined on 35, never joined, never joined So Cumans are the only one that I know fully, which is on turn 35. The others rely on how the opposite faction is doing. If the one I had which no crusaders joined, Byzantine, Jerusalem (me), Tripoli and Antioch were all alive, though Byzantines were almost losing Constantinople by the time I won (so very weak) and Cicilia fell, but this seems not to be enough. Maybe 2 stars total Christian faction in total must fall for them to show? Or 3? |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jun 30, 2022 11:18:54 GMT
Ralyks, the 3rd Crusades' forces will reenact the 4th Crusade, if only to a lesser degree (multiple land invasions and perhaps a few naval assaults on Constantinople). I am certain that the two will turn on the Byzantine Empire, given time, when playing as the other factions (Zengid, Ayyubid, Abbasid, Cilicia and Beylik). My turn counts are always more than 35 Turns which allowed me to confirm that time erodes the two new Crusaders forces' willingness to fight with the Byzantine Empire. As for the Mauri, I've fought them as every nation except the Lombards and Ostrogoths. They usually appear around Turn 15. I remembered this based on my first Byzantine Era conquest as the Vandals and always count down to it in subsequent conquests.
Note: The Seljuk Empire has binding alliances. If you go to war against its allies and perhaps protectorate states which it has passage agreements with, OR the Empire itself, either side will declare war on you automatically. However, these alliances may erode over time. It may be worth considering to induce the Abbasid Empire to assist you against the Seljuk. Moreover, the Ayyubid and Abbasid Empires may form its own alliance unless they are in near proximity.
truhses, you're definitely right. Played aggressively on a test WRE start just now. Conquered the Visigoths, except Poiters, took Sisak, Lincoln and Strasbourg, giving me 25 cities in the middle of Turn 8. Sisak being the last city. Huns did not appear at the start, but only after the 25th city. It could be that capturing minimally 25 cities is enough as the 3* WRE, leading to an early appearance of the Hunnic Empire. Perhaps another factor may also be whether either gothic kingdom is conquered in the meanwhile or just the Visigoths. A much harder to prove guess would be that this applies to all belligerent states of the era, but this is not certain because this is more easily proven when using the WRE. I'm sure that passing 15 turns leads to the guaranteed appearance if none of the special conditions are fulfilled, given that the Huns appear no later.
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Post by playeruser37 on Jun 30, 2022 15:03:58 GMT
Ralyks, the 3rd Crusades' forces will reenact the 4th Crusade, if only to a lesser degree (multiple land invasions and perhaps a few naval assaults on Constantinople). I am certain that the two will turn on the Byzantine Empire, given time, when playing as the other factions (Zengid, Ayyubid, Abbasid, Cilicia and Beylik). My turn counts are always more than 35 Turns which allowed me to confirm that time erodes the two new Crusaders forces' willingness to fight with the Byzantine Empire. As for the Mauri, I've fought them as every nation except the Lombards and Ostrogoths. They usually appear around Turn 15. I remembered this based on my first Byzantine Era conquest as the Vandals and always count down to it in subsequent conquests.
Note: The Seljuk Empire has binding alliances. If you go to war against its allies and perhaps protectorate states which it has passage agreements with, OR the Empire itself, either side will declare war on you automatically. However, these alliances may erode over time. It may be worth considering to induce the Abbasid Empire to assist you against the Seljuk. Moreover, the Ayyubid and Abbasid Empires may form its own alliance unless they are in near proximity.
truhses, you're definitely right. Played aggressively on a test WRE start just now. Conquered the Visigoths, except Poiters, took Sisak, Lincoln and Strasbourg, giving me 25 cities in the middle of Turn 8. Sisak being the last city. Huns did not appear at the start, but only after the 25th city. It could be that capturing minimally 25 cities is enough as the 3* WRE, leading to an early appearance of the Hunnic Empire. Perhaps another factor may also be whether either gothic kingdom is conquered in the meanwhile or just the Visigoths. A much harder to prove guess would be that this applies to all belligerent states of the era, but this is not certain because this is more easily proven when using the WRE. I'm sure that passing 15 turns leads to the guaranteed appearance if none of the special conditions are fulfilled, given that the Huns appear no later. . For me Hunnic Empire appeared at Turn 15 but when i ocuppied Alemmanii as WRE They appeared at Turn 15 but when i ocuppied Alemmanii as WRE They appeared because Alemmanii and Ostrogoths have passage agrement whit Hunnic Empire . When I played as Kingdom of Jerusalem Cumans-Kipchaks appeared at Turn 33 , but when i played as Bizantine Empire they appeared at Turn 35 .As kingdom of Jerusalem, The bizantine Empire and Crusaders declared war one againist another . In Crusaders states conquest, The Seljuk Empire and Abbasid Caliphate are figthing one againist another. Mauris are coming every time at Turn 15. Viking Reinforcements are coming every time at Turn 15 . Avars are coming every time at Turn 30. Kingdom of Denmark is coming every time at Turn 20 . |
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Post by generalfeldmarschall on Jul 1, 2022 5:16:20 GMT
Ralyks , will we be able to form the hre as east francia
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Post by Ralyks on Jul 1, 2022 12:06:42 GMT
Nobunaga Oda do they? We have Frederick, Richard and Philip, which were all participating on the 3rd Crusade, but not on the 4rth. In the 4rth it was some crusaders mostly from Germany and a lot of Venetians. And they end up declaring war on Byzantines just because they have frontiers with them, but they start being friendly with them. In the 4th Crusade, the Crusaders had to siege Constantinople twice, and then made their own kingdom out of much of , while Byzantines had to make a smaller kingdom called Nicaea and could take the city 60years later by a big fail on Venetian and Crusader's part. Nothing of all that is shown here. . For me Hunnic Empire appeared at Turn 15 but when i ocuppied Alemmanii as WRE They appeared at Turn 15 but when i ocuppied Alemmanii as WRE They appeared because Alemmanii and Ostrogoths have passage agrement whit Hunnic Empire . When I played as Kingdom of Jerusalem Cumans-Kipchaks appeared at Turn 33 , but when i played as Bizantine Empire they appeared at Turn 35 .As kingdom of Jerusalem, The bizantine Empire and Crusaders declared war one againist another . In Crusaders states conquest, The Seljuk Empire and Abbasid Caliphate are figthing one againist another. Mauris are coming every time at Turn 15. Viking Reinforcements are coming every time at Turn 15 . Avars are coming every time at Turn 30. Kingdom of Denmark is coming every time at Turn 20 . Okey, so some consensus on Huns. Crusaders and Muslims fighting eachother is bound to happen as they share frontiers, so in turn 20, many muslim states will declare wars on each others, and Crusaders will end up doing it also on Byzantine too. But they were coded to start as allies. Cumans on the 33rd round? Well, then the 35 rule that it seemed like a consensus, its no more smt fixed. On my run as Jerusalem, I finished quite early, so I couldn't test this 33, and I'm not going to repeat it sorry. Ralyks , will we be able to form the hre as east francia Is this a question or some info you're providing? In the first conquest, where currently is the only place that claims exist, there's no mention whatsoever to the HRE as its too early in history, its either Roman Empire or Germanic Reich. In the next conquests, there's no claims yet so I can't know.
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Post by generalfeldmarschall on Jul 2, 2022 11:04:46 GMT
awsome4444, i am sorry should've been more clear about the age i was talking about otto the i who was crowned as the holy roman emporer in 962 so i wanted to ask if we would get that event of becoming hre also do papal states or magyars get their events like magyars were quite succesfull in the invasion(until they weren't) so would they get an event?
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Post by awsome4444 on Jul 2, 2022 19:19:21 GMT
awsome4444 , i am sorry should've been more clear about the age i was talking about otto the i who was crowned as the holy roman emporer in 962 so i wanted to ask if we would get that event of becoming hre also do papal states or magyars get their events like magyars were quite succesfull in the invasion(until they weren't) so would they get an event? Papal States won't be getting an event. However, Maygars def are getting one. |
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Post by generalfeldmarschall on Jul 3, 2022 9:01:30 GMT
awsome4444 , i am sorry should've been more clear about the age i was talking about otto the i who was crowned as the holy roman emporer in 962 so i wanted to ask if we would get that event of becoming hre also do papal states or magyars get their events like magyars were quite succesfull in the invasion(until they weren't) so would they get an event? Papal States won't be getting an event. However, Maygars def are getting one. so no playing with the magyars... why easytech |
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Post by nikomachos on Jul 3, 2022 9:48:18 GMT
generalfeldmarschall, i too would like to play as event nations, most of all huns and crusaders  but overall i am always happy when they add event nations, bc they are just cool in a cinematic way (in my head XD) many players have already told ET that they wished to play as event nations. maybe oneday we will. i would find it especially cool, if when we played an event nation late arrival (say turn 15) the map is generated by AI on what the setup is each time. each invasion of the huns would be truly unique in border-setup of the established nations
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Post by generalfeldmarschall on Jul 3, 2022 10:04:16 GMT
generalfeldmarschall , i too would like to play as event nations, most of all huns and crusaders but overall i am always happy when they add event nations, bc they are just cool in a cinematic way (in my head XD) many players have already told ET that they wished to play as event nations. maybe oneday we will. i would find it especially cool, if when we played an event nation late arrival (say turn 15) the map is generated by AI on what the setup is each time. each invasion of the huns would be truly unique in border-setup of the established nations very interesting tho dunno if easy tech will give a unique border setup, tho hopw for these event nations espicially the magyars and huns, for we shall fishing conquer europe |
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Post by Ralyks on Jul 3, 2022 21:31:21 GMT
I would welcome if some feedback concerning the invaders could be provided by others, as you don't even need to re-play it, just check the log.
Because as of right now, nothing is fully clear, and we should have enough feedback to at least get it decently accurate.
And I really wish they added a 6th conquest. Reconquista would've been fun as its the different Christian kingdoms vs the multiple Muslim taifas, with the 2 crusaders (one against a Christian ruler) happening, and France joining as well at some point. But as its going to be a small battleground and there's a barely Spanish/Portuguese leaders (El Cid is the only one currently afaik), so its not gonna happen. Like the 100 years war could've also be one, with a couple of Iberian Kingdoms, Scotland and some HRE joining at some point. Like European history has many conflicts, many kingdoms and many power struggles, on every century, so they could make so many more, I hope the care for this game like they did with EW5 and GC: Rome, because I do like it. I just wish these patches were a bit bigger in content or they release them in shorter time intervals, as ofc they will not release a full game since the start.
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Post by heller on Jul 13, 2022 1:55:14 GMT
Which is the best conquest for gold and conquest point farming( it can be completed by auto AI and with Justinian)?
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