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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jul 2, 2022 18:49:17 GMT
Skills:
Davout - Precision Strike, Station, Edge, Riding Master, Tactic Master
Paget - Precision Strike, Edge, Surprise Attack, Tactic Master
If we remove all useless and overlapping skills:
Davout - Riding Master
Paget - Surprise Attack
Station is extremely situtaional, as cavalry is rarely in a city. Riding Master is not as good as Surprise Attack, not even close, as crits are horrrible in this game.
Stats:
Davout gains 23 BA, while Paget gains 19 BA. This leads to a total of 86 BA (21%) for Davout and Paget gets 56 BA (14%). Davout has 46 CA (11%), while Paget has 50 CA (12%). This leads to a grand total of 32% for Davout and 26% for Paget. This is not enough to cover the skill gap.
Cost:
Davout has 8 good skills for 2120 medals. Paget has 7 good skills for 1415 medals. Paget wins here.
Verdict:
Paget is both better than Davout in combat (despite having much worse stats) and in cost.
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Post by Joseph Stalin on Jul 15, 2022 13:12:33 GMT
Skills: Davout - Precision Strike, Station, Edge, Riding Master, Tactic Master Paget - Precision Strike, Edge, Surprise Attack, Tactic Master If we remove all useless and overlapping skills: Davout - Riding Master Paget - Surprise Attack Station is extremely situtaional, as cavalry is rarely in a city. Riding Master is not as good as Surprise Attack, not even close, as crits are horrrible in this game. Stats: Davout gains 23 BA, while Paget gains 19 BA. This leads to a total of 86 BA (21%) for Davout and Paget gets 56 BA (14%). Davout has 46 CA (11%), while Paget has 50 CA (12%). This leads to a grand total of 32% for Davout and 26% for Paget. This is not enough to cover the skill gap. Cost: Davout has 8 good skills for 2120 medals. Paget has 7 good skills for 1415 medals. Paget wins here. Verdict: Paget is both better than Davout in combat (despite having much worse stats) and in cost. oh no, ı bought davout and fully maxed him out, he is actually not that bad,especially when he gets Murats 3 grid +20 buff. I gave him a double stack ambulance so he is actually pretty good, btw I dont think surprise attack makes a difference at all, I just made a test in battle of magenta against hungarian hussar twins and Murat doesnt hit harder to the farthest one, sometimes he hits the close hussar harder |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jul 15, 2022 15:32:32 GMT
Skills: Davout - Precision Strike, Station, Edge, Riding Master, Tactic Master Paget - Precision Strike, Edge, Surprise Attack, Tactic Master If we remove all useless and overlapping skills: Davout - Riding Master Paget - Surprise Attack Station is extremely situtaional, as cavalry is rarely in a city. Riding Master is not as good as Surprise Attack, not even close, as crits are horrrible in this game. Stats: Davout gains 23 BA, while Paget gains 19 BA. This leads to a total of 86 BA (21%) for Davout and Paget gets 56 BA (14%). Davout has 46 CA (11%), while Paget has 50 CA (12%). This leads to a grand total of 32% for Davout and 26% for Paget. This is not enough to cover the skill gap. Cost: Davout has 8 good skills for 2120 medals. Paget has 7 good skills for 1415 medals. Paget wins here. Verdict: Paget is both better than Davout in combat (despite having much worse stats) and in cost. oh no, ı bought davout and fully maxed him out, he is actually not that bad,especially when he gets Murats 3 grid +20 buff. I gave him a double stack ambulance so he is actually pretty good, btw I dont think surprise attack makes a difference at all, I just made a test in battle of magenta against hungarian hussar twins and Murat doesnt hit harder to the farthest one, sometimes he hits the close hussar harder Murat's aura's purpose is to make himself and other cavalry stronger. It can also make Paget stronger. Double stack ambulance is for healing, and gobbles up 1/2 ambulance(s) from other generals. Surprise Attack requires your unit to move far, not attack far, as most units cannot hit more than 1 tile. The mechanics for the hussars are designed to make the closer hussar harder. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on Jul 15, 2022 15:48:01 GMT
oh no, ı bought davout and fully maxed him out, he is actually not that bad,especially when he gets Murats 3 grid +20 buff. I gave him a double stack ambulance so he is actually pretty good, btw I dont think surprise attack makes a difference at all, I just made a test in battle of magenta against hungarian hussar twins and Murat doesnt hit harder to the farthest one, sometimes he hits the close hussar harder Murat's aura's purpose is to make himself and other cavalry stronger. It can also make Paget stronger. Double stack ambulance is for healing, and gobbles up 1/2 ambulance(s) from other generals. Surprise Attack requires your unit to move far, not attack far, as most units cannot hit more than 1 tile. The mechanics for the hussars are designed to make the closer hussar harder. In campaign where station is almost obsolete paget is better but in conquest I use station a lot and I use davout to take cities and sit there to counter AI’s counterattack to take the city back, especially useful against ottoman empire as russian empire, in the narrow balkan front ottomans seem to spam a crazy counterattack to take back romania and with double ambulance davout does great but at a huge cost ofc but I found battle of trafalgar exploit so medals are not an issue:)) |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on Jul 15, 2022 15:56:43 GMT
Murat's aura's purpose is to make himself and other cavalry stronger. It can also make Paget stronger. Double stack ambulance is for healing, and gobbles up 1/2 ambulance(s) from other generals. Surprise Attack requires your unit to move far, not attack far, as most units cannot hit more than 1 tile. The mechanics for the hussars are designed to make the closer hussar harder. In campaign where station is almost obsolete paget is better but in conquest I use station a lot and I use davout to take cities and sit there to counter AI’s counterattack to take the city back, especially useful against ottoman empire as russian empire, in the narrow balkan front ottomans seem to spam a crazy counterattack to take back romania and with double ambulance davout does great but at a huge cost ofc but I found battle of trafalgar exploit so medals are not an issue:)) I mean, the difference between would probably be very hard to observe since their main good skills are just the same, also does davouts critical strike increase the rate of doing crits or increases the damage of crits?? Also how do we understand if the general made a critical strike?? is there a notification on the unit? |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jul 15, 2022 16:28:40 GMT
In campaign where station is almost obsolete paget is better but in conquest I use station a lot and I use davout to take cities and sit there to counter AI’s counterattack to take the city back, especially useful against ottoman empire as russian empire, in the narrow balkan front ottomans seem to spam a crazy counterattack to take back romania and with double ambulance davout does great but at a huge cost ofc but I found battle of trafalgar exploit so medals are not an issue:)) I mean, the difference between would probably be very hard to observe since their main good skills are just the same, also does davouts critical strike increase the rate of doing crits or increases the damage of crits?? Also how do we understand if the general made a critical strike?? is there a notification on the unit? I really don't know. The English description is ambiguous, but I think that it increases the damage. Both would be bad, because of the weak crits in the game. You can tell if a unit crits if the damage number is red. |
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Post by Joseph Stalin on Jul 15, 2022 16:43:29 GMT
I mean, the difference between would probably be very hard to observe since their main good skills are just the same, also does davouts critical strike increase the rate of doing crits or increases the damage of crits?? Also how do we understand if the general made a critical strike?? is there a notification on the unit? I really don't know. The English description is ambiguous, but I think that it increases the damage. Both would be bad, because of the weak crits in the game. You can tell if a unit crits if the damage number is red. oh that red damage occurs very rarely so you are probably right, I have iron cross medal for davout which gives +30% damage buff with riding master for crits but he rarely makes crits then, I just dont see red damage very often, now I understand thx bro |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jul 23, 2023 10:11:35 GMT
A week late, after the latest reply, but shouldn't Ney, Davout's brother-in-cav also join in?
Davout = Ney, has Station instead of the better Plain Fighting, swapped his BA and Cav Ability so Davout is a better generalist, and has Tactics Master.
The match-ups should be Ney v. Davout and Ney v. Paget, and maybe Davout v. Paget to round things off, no?
Ney v. Davout would hinge on whether Davout's gold statuses, generalist ability points and Tactics Master is better than Ney's Plain Fighting and Cav-specialist ability points.
Then, Ney v. Paget would focus on whether Surprise Attack > PF + Riding Master, and whether Paget's Tactics Master tipped the balance.
But I can see how Davout v. Paget would end this three-way battle.
I find myself asking about the three because I'm considering whether to pick and who to pick for a 4th cav gen after Murat, Dabrowski and Lan.
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Post by Ludwig von Mises on Jul 28, 2023 20:44:06 GMT
Eh, I use Davout and he’s very good
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