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Post by yuanzhong on Aug 3, 2022 15:00:14 GMT
What a ridiculous assumption. How do You know I am not playing against these enemies? When choosing between IAP I'ld go for someone like Khan against Mamluks with support generals having Calmness. And Khan is better in every possible situation than this Chinese guy. It is obvious. Regarding Your question.. obviously charge and Outburst generals are better to kill archers and archer cavalry. These days even Melee cavalry is good if compared to previous pre-update meta. Charge is not cancalled by walls of the city. You just need to use it properly. Attack it with someone so the walls could be damaged and Charge without a problem. Detour works as well. Today we have many generals to choose to deal with cities and archers. We have free gens like Baldwin who helps with movement and placement, Nevsky with guaranteed charge, Outburst generals. Alfred in the end with tunneling. So many possibilities. It is just stupid to rely on someone who You need to pay money for who is good in just one thing and nothing else. And mentioning tent and other stuff, I don't think comments are necessary. It is something that every general can use. Nothing specific for the general we are discussing. Speaking about his speed. We can organize our legions so other gens will also benefit from from chase and climb. It is not exclusive for him. And his Rapid March. Bad skill specifically for him. If You put cav into the legion, its stats won't be affected by his infantry skills. So in the long run cav will be ineffective with this general and if playing full infantry legion Rapid March is useless. I have full Mamluks defence and I know what I'm saying, all this strong generals die very fast. I have castles with turrets and towers behind. Gengis Khan die in 1 turn, and generals with charge die even faster because of strong counter attack. ET even made changes because you can't kill Mamluks so easily. Charge works against weak opponents only, against level 15 Mamluks Richard and co just suck. If you would play against strong players, you would know this. If you attack castles directly when their hp full, it's not suprising when cav die fast, lol. But attack them with mamluke (and cannon if possible) then use charge cav, the thing is different. I have lvl 15 templars, hospitaller, lvl 14 mamluke and I live well with those who use full mamluke defence. Dingfang can live 1 more turn (thanks for his active skill) and absorb attack from about 2 units, then die fastly if not hide quickly. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 3, 2022 15:08:46 GMT
What a ridiculous assumption. How do You know I am not playing against these enemies? When choosing between IAP I'ld go for someone like Khan against Mamluks with support generals having Calmness. And Khan is better in every possible situation than this Chinese guy. It is obvious. Regarding Your question.. obviously charge and Outburst generals are better to kill archers and archer cavalry. These days even Melee cavalry is good if compared to previous pre-update meta. Charge is not cancalled by walls of the city. You just need to use it properly. Attack it with someone so the walls could be damaged and Charge without a problem. Detour works as well. Today we have many generals to choose to deal with cities and archers. We have free gens like Baldwin who helps with movement and placement, Nevsky with guaranteed charge, Outburst generals. Alfred in the end with tunneling. So many possibilities. It is just stupid to rely on someone who You need to pay money for who is good in just one thing and nothing else. And mentioning tent and other stuff, I don't think comments are necessary. It is something that every general can use. Nothing specific for the general we are discussing. Speaking about his speed. We can organize our legions so other gens will also benefit from from chase and climb. It is not exclusive for him. And his Rapid March. Bad skill specifically for him. If You put cav into the legion, its stats won't be affected by his infantry skills. So in the long run cav will be ineffective with this general and if playing full infantry legion Rapid March is useless. I have full Mamluks defence and I know what I'm saying, all this strong generals die very fast. I have castles with turrets and towers behind. Gengis Khan die in 1 turn, and generals with charge die even faster because of strong counter attack. ET even made changes because you can't kill Mamluks so easily. Charge works against weak opponents only, against level 15 Mamluks Richard and co just suck. If you would play against strong players, you would know this. All what we need to know about you, what you have full Mamluks defence.  |
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Post by stoic on Aug 3, 2022 15:16:31 GMT
I have full Mamluks defence and I know what I'm saying, all this strong generals die very fast. I have castles with turrets and towers behind. Gengis Khan die in 1 turn, and generals with charge die even faster because of strong counter attack. ET even made changes because you can't kill Mamluks so easily. Charge works against weak opponents only, against level 15 Mamluks Richard and co just suck. If you would play against strong players, you would know this. All what we need to know about you, what you have full Mamluks defence. No-one has a defence composed of Mamelukes alone. There aren't so many decent archer generals for this  Robin, Attila, Khan, Saladin, El Cid, Subutai, Black Prince, Timur. Probably Jebe and Philip - so even pay players don't have 12 good archers. Oh, I have forgotten about Nur ad-Din, Zengi, Narses. So, I was wrong it is possible after all... |
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Post by yuanzhong on Aug 3, 2022 15:26:28 GMT
All what we need to know about you, what you have full Mamluks defence. No-one has a defence composed of Mamelukes alone. There aren't so many decent archer generals for this Robin, Attila, Khan, Saladin, El Cid, Subutai, Black Prince, Timur. Probably Jebe and Philip - so even pay players don't have 12 good archers. Nurdin and Caesar are good archer gen too |
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Post by playeruser37 on Aug 3, 2022 15:26:38 GMT
All what we need to know about you, what you have full Mamluks defence. No-one has a defence composed of Mamelukes alone. There aren't so many decent archer generals for this Robin, Attila, Khan, Saladin, El Cid, Subutai, Black Prince, Timur. Probably Jebe and Philip - so even pay players don't have 12 good archers. . For f2p is hard to defeat Robin , Attila , Khan , Saladin , El Cid , Subutai , Black Prince when He will be avaible to be purchased , Timur , Jebe , Philip , with mamluks . |
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Post by stoic on Aug 3, 2022 15:32:23 GMT
No-one has a defence composed of Mamelukes alone. There aren't so many decent archer generals for this Robin, Attila, Khan, Saladin, El Cid, Subutai, Black Prince, Timur. Probably Jebe and Philip - so even pay players don't have 12 good archers. . For f2p is hard to defeat Robin , Attila , Khan , Saladin , El Cid , Subutai , Black Prince when He will be avaible to be purchased , Timur , Jebe , Philip , with mamluks . I would rather paraphrase it. It is difficult to defeat any Territory with fully upgraded buildings because buffs and debuffs provided by buildings are so significant. There are many ways to make a hell out of your defence. Unfortunately (or fortunately ) there aren't any good reasons to do it. Players, who are busy with building their defence, don't get anything in return. Absolutely nothing! Zero! Waste of time and resources. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 3, 2022 15:33:23 GMT
No-one has a defence composed of Mamelukes alone. There aren't so many decent archer generals for this Robin, Attila, Khan, Saladin, El Cid, Subutai, Black Prince, Timur. Probably Jebe and Philip - so even pay players don't have 12 good archers. Nurdin and Caesar are good archer gen too Yeah, I have forgotten about a couple. Narses and Zengi too. So, I take my words back |
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Post by playeruser37 on Aug 3, 2022 15:46:15 GMT
. For f2p is hard to defeat Robin , Attila , Khan , Saladin , El Cid , Subutai , Black Prince when He will be avaible to be purchased , Timur , Jebe , Philip , with mamluks . I would rather paraphrase it. It is difficult to defeat any Territory with fully upgraded buildings because buffs and debuffs provided by buildings are so significant. There are many ways to make a hell out of your defence. Unfortunately (or fortunately ) there aren't any good reasons to do it. Players, who are busy with building their defence, don't get anything in return. Absolutely nothing! Zero! Waste of time and resources. i aggre whit You , anyone who wants to invest time and resources into defense have nothing to win from this , they only Make other players to not win anyting in teritory mode . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 15:51:03 GMT
There are 12 archer generals with unique items:
Atilla
Caesar
Charles Martel
El Cid
Justinian I
Narses
Nurdin
Robin Hood
Sabutai
Saladin
Timur
Zengi
PS: I have 2 healers and 2 calm generals with Mamluks as well.
There are also several options in defence, e.g. if you use #2 map and set everyone to attack on one side, it's 12 vs 6 battle.
I always analyze battles and update my settings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 15:56:26 GMT
I would rather paraphrase it. It is difficult to defeat any Territory with fully upgraded buildings because buffs and debuffs provided by buildings are so significant. There are many ways to make a hell out of your defence. Unfortunately (or fortunately ) there aren't any good reasons to do it. Players, who are busy with building their defence, don't get anything in return. Absolutely nothing! Zero! Waste of time and resources. i aggre whit You , anyone who wants to invest time and resources into defense have nothing to win from this , they only Make other players to not win anyting in teritory mode . I use Territory to test things, I don't care about winning. It just happens that Mamluks are OP right now, and new unit doesn't help so much. |
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Post by andrei on Aug 3, 2022 15:57:18 GMT
What a ridiculous assumption. How do You know I am not playing against these enemies? When choosing between IAP I'ld go for someone like Khan against Mamluks with support generals having Calmness. And Khan is better in every possible situation than this Chinese guy. It is obvious. Regarding Your question.. obviously charge and Outburst generals are better to kill archers and archer cavalry. These days even Melee cavalry is good if compared to previous pre-update meta. Charge is not cancalled by walls of the city. You just need to use it properly. Attack it with someone so the walls could be damaged and Charge without a problem. Detour works as well. Today we have many generals to choose to deal with cities and archers. We have free gens like Baldwin who helps with movement and placement, Nevsky with guaranteed charge, Outburst generals. Alfred in the end with tunneling. So many possibilities. It is just stupid to rely on someone who You need to pay money for who is good in just one thing and nothing else. And mentioning tent and other stuff, I don't think comments are necessary. It is something that every general can use. Nothing specific for the general we are discussing. Speaking about his speed. We can organize our legions so other gens will also benefit from from chase and climb. It is not exclusive for him. And his Rapid March. Bad skill specifically for him. If You put cav into the legion, its stats won't be affected by his infantry skills. So in the long run cav will be ineffective with this general and if playing full infantry legion Rapid March is useless. I have full Mamluks defence and I know what I'm saying, all this strong generals die very fast. I have castles with turrets and towers behind. Gengis Khan die in 1 turn, and generals with charge die even faster because of strong counter attack. ET even made changes because you can't kill Mamluks so easily. Charge works against weak opponents only, against level 15 Mamluks Richard and co just suck. If you would play against strong players, you would know this. It looks like You think You are the only one playing this game in a proper way. We already had a guy here on the forum with the same approach The real pain of Mamluks is not that they are strong but is that they are buffed by the wonders and You are debuffed at the same time. So I don't know what You mean under words "suck" against Mamluks. It is not the idea of the game. To fight some stubborn guys like You with full Mamluks defence supported with the specific wonders. If You are building Your team around the idea of being nasty for other players facing Your Territory mode setup.. well it is up to You. I am playing this game not for this reason. And I have no problems with Mamluks in Territory mode so, obviously I can't accept this reason as justifying purchase of such a specific general. PS: I actually have this general because of other reason, but he sucks (I would use Your terms) |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Aug 3, 2022 18:11:17 GMT
Su Dingfang is sucks just because Def Inf is sucks, making the whole concept of their skills and abilities sucks. It is paradoxical that units with such large shields would be massacred by Ranged Units. Def Inf biggest weakness should be Melee Inf, they should be strong against Cavalry in the defense phase, and Ranged Units should deal little damage to them.
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Post by Boss Tweed on Aug 3, 2022 19:08:44 GMT
Su Dingfang is sucks just because Def Inf is sucks, making the whole concept of their skills and abilities sucks. It is paradoxical that units with such large shields would be massacred by Ranged Units. Def Inf biggest weakness should be Melee Inf, they should be strong against Cavalry in the defense phase, and Ranged Units should deal little damage to them. Su Dingfang's unit is also bad since it doesn't lower charge rate and would require another defense infantry, increasing weakness to archers. Some defense infantry don't have shields, so I feel that they can get their weakness to ranged units, but the others do, which is a problem. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Aug 3, 2022 19:54:28 GMT
i aggre whit You , anyone who wants to invest time and resources into defense have nothing to win from this , they only Make other players to not win anyting in teritory mode . I use Territory to test things, I don't care about winning. It just happens that Mamluks are OP right now, and new unit doesn't help so much. No prob with mamluks once you have Blue Mamluks and iron ballistas lvl3, man (and I’m not even considering Timur’s active skill). The fact is Territory is boring to me. I don’t want to face every time the same defensive setup and I can’t throw 30minutes or a hour on a game. It was better when I could do 7 attacks in 5 minutes, allowing me to farm like a lazy pig |
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Post by nexttimebro on Aug 3, 2022 23:03:26 GMT
This general is the best archer killer: 1. He is extremely fast (Rapid March + Chase + Climb). 2. He has +25% damage against archers, because archers usually have more troops than other units. Check Templars and Mamluks. 3. He has +15% infantry damage. 4. He has 200+ infantry capability with gems. No man, you are wrong. The best anti-archer melee general is this guy:  Because he kills 3 15lvl Malmuks in 1 hit (funny thing that he can be killed in 1-2 hits by any cavalry general too) In addition, Malmuks are quite useless after 1.7. Any legion with at least 1 Imperial Bow Archers is a death for Malmuks |
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Robin, Attila, Khan, Saladin, El Cid, Subutai, Black Prince, Timur. Probably Jebe and Philip - so even pay players don't have 12 good archers.
