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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Aug 26, 2022 20:51:45 GMT
When you run out of SFs? Fragile SFs may still need to be cracked, especially in elite where Rommel is on a 2 stack E-100. Monty is a HT gen and Roko, we can both agree, is better than Monty. AS helps a tad against even inf SFs, but not that much. Also, your tank may attack again after killing an SF, so AS may be useful in that way. Vatutin, Ushijima and Manstein all aren't Jesus's second coming, that would be Terauchi, Boris or WC3 Patton.  SFs are easily destroyed, which does not help AS' viability. Cracked by what? A gust of wind? Rommel on a E-100 is easier to be dealt with by Vatutian (AA). Only Patton is better to fight the E-100, not Rommel himself. It's more useful to fight Rommel than to eliminate his SF (which Vatutin still effectively does). With 2 HTs (which in '44 there likely will be), Monty can become an effective Roko 2.0. Inf SFs are already shredded by HTs, and really by any high-powered unit. Your tank can attack after killing an SF? Really? I have never had that happen, but maybe I just don't remember. 1. The faster you destroy the E-100, the faster you don’t take the E-100 damage debuff. Vatutin won’t do that much, but Patton will wreck the SF. 2. Yeah, true. But there are limited gen slots. 3. True, but killing the SF with a tank allows it to hit again, giving Patton a bit more damage. To be clear, I don’t hate Vatutin, I just think that Patton is good too. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 26, 2022 22:51:59 GMT
SFs are easily destroyed, which does not help AS' viability. Cracked by what? A gust of wind? Rommel on a E-100 is easier to be dealt with by Vatutian (AA). Only Patton is better to fight the E-100, not Rommel himself. It's more useful to fight Rommel than to eliminate his SF (which Vatutin still effectively does). With 2 HTs (which in '44 there likely will be), Monty can become an effective Roko 2.0. Inf SFs are already shredded by HTs, and really by any high-powered unit. Your tank can attack after killing an SF? Really? I have never had that happen, but maybe I just don't remember. 1. The faster you destroy the E-100, the faster you don’t take the E-100 damage debuff. Vatutin won’t do that much, but Patton will wreck the SF. 2. Yeah, true. But there are limited gen slots. 3. True, but killing the SF with a tank allows it to hit again, giving Patton a bit more damage. To be clear, I don’t hate Vatutin, I just think that Patton is good too. 1. Patton's AS will wreck the E-100, but will also get wrecked in the process. You also have to deal with Rommel. 2. Monty alleviates this dilemma. 3. Ok. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Aug 27, 2022 2:54:25 GMT
1. The faster you destroy the E-100, the faster you don’t take the E-100 damage debuff. Vatutin won’t do that much, but Patton will wreck the SF. 2. Yeah, true. But there are limited gen slots. 3. True, but killing the SF with a tank allows it to hit again, giving Patton a bit more damage. To be clear, I don’t hate Vatutin, I just think that Patton is good too. 1. Patton's AS will wreck the E-100, but will also get wrecked in the process. You also have to deal with Rommel. 2. Monty alleviates this dilemma. 3. Ok. 1. Vatutin will accomplish even less and die even faster and won't even be able to run away. 2. You can only field 6 gens per campaign. 3. I would suggest that Patton is actually better than Vatutin when cracking MT SFs, because after Patton kills the SF, he can hit again, destroying the unit. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 27, 2022 13:43:57 GMT
1. Patton's AS will wreck the E-100, but will also get wrecked in the process. You also have to deal with Rommel. 2. Monty alleviates this dilemma. 3. Ok. 1. Vatutin will accomplish even less and die even faster and won't even be able to run away. 2. You can only field 6 gens per campaign. 3. I would suggest that Patton is actually better than Vatutin when cracking MT SFs, because after Patton kills the SF, he can hit again, destroying the unit. 1. AA 2. Monty > Patton, no need for Patton. 3. Vatutin can also hit again, and he will be closer to actually destroying the unit. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Aug 28, 2022 2:02:50 GMT
1. Vatutin will accomplish even less and die even faster and won't even be able to run away. 2. You can only field 6 gens per campaign. 3. I would suggest that Patton is actually better than Vatutin when cracking MT SFs, because after Patton kills the SF, he can hit again, destroying the unit. 1. AA 2. Monty > Patton, no need for Patton. 3. Vatutin can also hit again, and he will be closer to actually destroying the unit. 1. E-100 damage reduction 2. What if there is only 1 HT? 3. Yes, but Patton is more likely to kill SFs rather than leaving it at low HP. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 28, 2022 16:14:33 GMT
1. AA 2. Monty > Patton, no need for Patton. 3. Vatutin can also hit again, and he will be closer to actually destroying the unit. 1. E-100 damage reduction 2. What if there is only 1 HT? 3. Yes, but Patton is more likely to kill SFs rather than leaving it at low HP. 1. AA = More damage to tank = tank less of a threat 2. What if there's only 1 MT? Monty is closer to Roko than Patton is to Vatutin. 3. E-100 is very rare regardless, also SFs get annihilated in a few hits, unless its on a tank, then Vatutin is simple more useful. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Aug 28, 2022 16:19:07 GMT
1. E-100 damage reduction 2. What if there is only 1 HT? 3. Yes, but Patton is more likely to kill SFs rather than leaving it at low HP. 1. AA = More damage to tank = tank less of a threat 2. What if there's only 1 MT? Monty is closer to Roko than Patton is to Vatutin. 3. E-100 is very rare regardless, also SFs get annihilated in a few hits, unless its on a tank, then Vatutin is simple more useful. 1. But Patton will wreck SF, and then artillery can start wrecking Rommel. 2. Very unlikely. 3. True, but other SFs may wreck your unit regardless, and AS is, again, somewhat good of a gen cracker. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 28, 2022 16:26:25 GMT
1. AA = More damage to tank = tank less of a threat 2. What if there's only 1 MT? Monty is closer to Roko than Patton is to Vatutin. 3. E-100 is very rare regardless, also SFs get annihilated in a few hits, unless its on a tank, then Vatutin is simple more useful. 1. But Patton will wreck SF, and then artillery can start wrecking Rommel. 2. Very unlikely. 3. True, but other SFs may wreck your unit regardless, and AS is, again, somewhat good of a gen cracker. 1. Patton wrecks SF, then what? It's not worth it to have a 36-coin SF killer when Mannerheim can do it for 10 (if we're talking Elite, if we're not ignore that). Vatutin can still do significant damage to Rommel himself. A 1 stack HT is less threatening than a 2 stack HT. 2. True, but then why limit yourself to 2 HT? It's unlikely that reinforcements won't have another HT (and if they dont you have other generals in your arsenal), and Monty can still be lauded as not too far behind Roko. The same cannot be said for Vat and Pat. 3. For HTs, all are threatening, but will inevitably fall. For arty, you can take advantage of range for heavy and light arty SFs suck. MTs can be threatening but can be dealt with easily. Inf is sliced by Monty/Roko. SFs pose little threat unless paired with a potent general on a good unit. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Aug 28, 2022 16:32:20 GMT
1. But Patton will wreck SF, and then artillery can start wrecking Rommel. 2. Very unlikely. 3. True, but other SFs may wreck your unit regardless, and AS is, again, somewhat good of a gen cracker. 1. Patton wrecks SF, then what? It's not worth it to have a 36-coin SF killer when Mannerheim can do it for 10 (if we're talking Elite, if we're not ignore that). Vatutin can still do significant damage to Rommel himself. A 1 stack HT is less threatening than a 2 stack HT. 2. True, but then why limit yourself to 2 HT? It's unlikely that reinforcements won't have another HT (and if they dont you have other generals in your arsenal), and Monty can still be lauded as not too far behind Roko. The same cannot be said for Vat and Pat. 3. For HTs, all are threatening, but will inevitably fall. For arty, you can take advantage of range for heavy and light arty SFs suck. MTs can be threatening but can be dealt with easily. Inf is sliced by Monty/Roko. SFs pose little threat unless paired with a potent general on a good unit. 1a. Patton has survivability, unlike Mannerheim. 1b. With the crazy SF? Plus why use Vatutin in Elite when Guderian fills his role. 2. Vatutin and Patton are very close. Depends on damage vs. survivability and movement 3. Other HTs. They are hard to beat, especially with 2 stack gens. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 28, 2022 16:54:22 GMT
1. Patton wrecks SF, then what? It's not worth it to have a 36-coin SF killer when Mannerheim can do it for 10 (if we're talking Elite, if we're not ignore that). Vatutin can still do significant damage to Rommel himself. A 1 stack HT is less threatening than a 2 stack HT. 2. True, but then why limit yourself to 2 HT? It's unlikely that reinforcements won't have another HT (and if they dont you have other generals in your arsenal), and Monty can still be lauded as not too far behind Roko. The same cannot be said for Vat and Pat. 3. For HTs, all are threatening, but will inevitably fall. For arty, you can take advantage of range for heavy and light arty SFs suck. MTs can be threatening but can be dealt with easily. Inf is sliced by Monty/Roko. SFs pose little threat unless paired with a potent general on a good unit. 1a. Patton has survivability, unlike Mannerheim. 1b. With the crazy SF? Plus why use Vatutin in Elite when Guderian fills his role. 2. Vatutin and Patton are very close. Depends on damage vs. survivability and movement 3. Other HTs. They are hard to beat, especially with 2 stack gens. 1a. Mannerheim loses 3 stacks, still cheaper than Patton losing 1 stack. 1b. Why use Patton when Guderian is just better? 3. They may be difficult to beat (Vatutin), but their SFs aren't (Patton). |
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