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Post by nexttimebro on Sept 13, 2022 15:22:24 GMT
Just created a table for comparison of range generals capability points and dmg bonuses.
May be helpful before buying or boosting one or another ranged general.
Input data: General with max rank + his 10lvl unique equipment. Without bonuses from gems. Skills, bonuses, and points are counted only those that are useful for ranged units dmg.
Column " Total with most suitable equip" display stats with 1 additional weapon that will be most probably used with the general (+6/18/24 with +1 lvl for skill boost). For example Timur with England Longbow. For Nur Din and Robin Hood secong dmg value is a value with activated Archer Mastery 4lvl.
General
| Weapon DMG bonus
| Weapon Archer Capability points
| Ranged Tactitian
| Master Shooter
| Assigned Unit
| Archer Capability Points
| Total DMG bonus
| Total with most suitable equip
| Active skill score in battles
| Additional battle bonuses
| Availability (General/Weapon)
| Timur
| +22% dmg
| +40
| Lvl 4 (20%)
| Lvl 3 (10%)
| Imperial Bow Cavalry
| 116
| +52%
| 134 / +57%
| 3/5
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| F2P / Chapter 11
| Subutai
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| +40
| Lvl 4 (20%)
| Lvl 3 (10%)
| Mongolian Riders
| 114
| +30%
| 132 / +35%
| 5/5
| +22% def,
| F2P / F2P(HoS 50lvl)
| Robin Hood
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| +40
| Lvl 4 (20%)
| Lvl 4 (15%)
| Woad Rider
| 101
| +35(60)%
| 125 / +35(60)%
| 4/5
| +5% Forest, Rapid March
| IAP (Medals) / IAP(Medals)
| Nur Din
| +22% dmg
| +40
| Lvl 3 (15%)
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| Camel Archers | 97
| +37(62)%
| 111 / +37(62)%
| 4/5
| +5% Desert
| F2P / IAP(HoS 30lvl)
| El Cid
| +22% dmg
| +40
| Lvl 4 (20%)
| Lvl 3 (10%)
| Conquistadors
| 94
| +52%
| 112 / +57%
| 0/5
| +5% Plains
| F2P / Chapter 8
| Attila
| +22% dmg
| +40
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| Lvl 4 (15%)
| Ravenna
| 90
| +37%
| 114 / +37%
| 1/5
| +5% Plains, Rapid March
| IAP / Chapter 1
| Genghis Khan
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| +40
| Lvl 4 (20%)
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| Kheshing
| 85
| +20%
| 109 / +20%
| 5/5
| +5% Plains
| IAP / F2P(HoS 30lvl)
| Narses
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| +40
| Lvl 3 (15%)
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| Garrison Spearmen
| 71
| +15%
| 77 / +20%
| 1/5
| Rapid March
| F2P / F2P (HoC 16lvl)
| Caesar
| +22% dmg
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| Lvl 3 (10%)
| Heavy Phalanx
| 70
| +10%
| 88 / +15%
| 4/5
| Rapid March
| IAP(HoS 12lvl)/ F2P (HoQ 3 lvl)
| Saladin
| +22% dmg
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| Lvl 4 (15%)
| Malmuk Archers
| 56
| +37%
| 80 / +37%
| 3/5
| +5% Desert
| IAP / Chapter 9
| Justinian I
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| Lvl 3 (15%)
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| Heavy-Armored Assault Cavalry
| 48
| +15%
| 54 / +20%
| 1/5
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| F2P/IAP(HoS 6lvl)
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mehran
First Lieutenant
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Post by mehran on Sept 14, 2022 8:02:49 GMT
Good job Thanks
So my question is that why everyone say that Attila is best IAP general for combat although he has worse skills even than El Cid
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Post by Alexyx on Sept 14, 2022 10:03:34 GMT
Good job Thanks So my question is that why everyone say that Attila is best IAP general for combat although he has worse skills even than El Cid He's not the best lol, For combat it'd be richard or genghis khan if you have some calmness support |
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Post by Alexyx on Sept 14, 2022 10:06:29 GMT
Good job Thanks So my question is that why everyone say that Attila is best IAP general for combat although he has worse skills even than El Cid Attila is good not only because of his capability, but also skills - Plain expert, Leadership and Rapid March - all of them quite useful. He's more versatile than Timur for example, despite doing less dmg |
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Post by stoic on Sept 14, 2022 11:57:43 GMT
I think that the value of Attila and Robin diminished a bit because horse archers are more powerful that foot archers. And both Ravenna crossbowmen and Woad skirmishers are easily killed in any such encounter. I think they should buff foot archers in general, but my suspicion is that they will just release new overpowering units instead of reworking old ones.
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Post by Alexyx on Sept 14, 2022 12:06:05 GMT
I think that the value of Attila and Robin diminished a bit because horse archers are more powerful that foot archers. And both Ravenna crossbowmen and Woad skirmishers are easily killed in any such encounter. I think they should buff foot archers in general, but my suspicion is that they will just release new overpowering units instead of reworking old ones. Agreed, foot archers are inferior to mntd archers |
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Post by nexttimebro on Sept 14, 2022 14:04:12 GMT
Good job Thanks So my question is that why everyone say that Attila is best IAP general for combat although he has worse skills even than El Cid He’s one of the best generals for campaigns and conquest farming because he’s available ( all: general, unique weapon, unit) after 1st chapter completion. With him it’d be much easier to grind, whereas other generals like Timur or El Cid are better in endgame battles or expedition modes (when all chapters and conquests are completed) |
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Post by nexttimebro on Sept 14, 2022 14:08:08 GMT
I think that the value of Attila and Robin diminished a bit because horse archers are more powerful that foot archers. And both Ravenna crossbowmen and Woad skirmishers are easily killed in any such encounter. I think they should buff foot archers in general, but my suspicion is that they will just release new overpowering units instead of reworking old ones.. Foot archers are better for grinding (capturing cities, farming conquests, defeating weak enemies). They have a skill for 25/30% target defense decreasing. There are mostly regular infantry and cavalry units in campaigns/conquests, and they are the best against them. |
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Post by Alexyx on Sept 14, 2022 17:23:36 GMT
I think that the value of Attila and Robin diminished a bit because horse archers are more powerful that foot archers. And both Ravenna crossbowmen and Woad skirmishers are easily killed in any such encounter. I think they should buff foot archers in general, but my suspicion is that they will just release new overpowering units instead of reworking old ones.. Foot archers are better for grinding (capturing cities, farming conquests, defeating weak enemies). They have a skill for 25/30% target defense decreasing. There are mostly regular infantry and cavalry units in campaigns/conquests, and they are the best against them. I'd argue charge cav and mounted archers do better job there |
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Post by nexttimebro on Sept 14, 2022 19:27:50 GMT
Foot archers are better for grinding (capturing cities, farming conquests, defeating weak enemies). They have a skill for 25/30% target defense decreasing. There are mostly regular infantry and cavalry units in campaigns/conquests, and they are the best against them. I'd argue charge cav and mounted archers do better job there Charge cavalry and mounted archers have lower mobility (they don’t have forest and mountain mobility skills) than 2 archers + scout cavalry + rapid march. In addition, any cavalry or melee units receive damage from counterattacks, whereas achier units may destroy enemies without any damage for them. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Sept 15, 2022 14:40:25 GMT
I always told you Nur Din was a good general. Mine works just fine  |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 19, 2022 5:44:44 GMT
I always told you Nur Din was a good general. Mine works just fine One of the best with unique weapon. 😉 |
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Post by verily on Sept 19, 2022 7:24:24 GMT
I always told you Nur Din was a good general. Mine works just fine Can you show your setup and its units? Thanks. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Sept 19, 2022 8:28:36 GMT
I always told you Nur Din was a good general. Mine works just fine Can you show your setup and its units? Thanks. Units: MA-MA-MR (when I have at least lvl9 IBC I’ll add him in the legion). Items: Narses’ unique item lvl 6 with 2 yellow gems, the blue bow with +6 ranged points and stop. He’s not a front-liner, but he deals ~800 damage which his active on  |
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Post by nexttimebro on Sept 19, 2022 9:46:14 GMT
Can you show your setup and its units? Thanks. Units: MA-MA-MR (when I have at least lvl9 IBC I’ll add him in the legion). Items: Narses’ unique item lvl 6 with 2 yellow gems, the blue bow with +6 ranged points and stop. He’s not a front-liner, but he deals ~800 damage which his active on Mine with IBC  
Small remark: this gems combination gives additional 10% dmg (5+5) |
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